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Nosy Neighbour intimidating me re 15 months tantrums/crying

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 10:32

Hello all,

I am a single mum of 27 years old. We have been battling with early morning risings and on advice from HV, she said if he wakes up at 5.30am, just don't get him out of the cot, go into reasure him, and say 'It's not time to get up yet', and leave him to cry.

More often than not after 20 mins of crying he would go back to sleep. I thought great, he just needs to learn that it's not time to get up.

I was aware that he was being quite noisy in the mornings, so I put a short note through the door of my next door neigbour, who is also a single mum to two teenage daughters.

A few days later I got a very strongly worded letter through the door, which I found quite offensive. She was saying that it was cruel to let DS cry, it was an acceptable time to get up, it is not unheard of for babies to get up this early, she thinks I should get up with him and give him milk/breakfast etc etc.... She said her family canot put up with the crying any more, and DS is waking them all up, and they cannot cope with having to wake up so early, so i should be getting up with him. It really was quite a strong letter and implied that I didn't know what I was doing. She refered to me as a young mum too, which she has done before, which I find offensive, while I AM young, I am not a YOUNG mum in teens or early twenties, I am a professional person, a Team Manager in a call centre, and I am perfectly competeant to deal with my son.

YES I know that I do need to respect the neighbours, and had she just said 'Could yoiu try to keep it down in the mornings' then I really wouldn't have been so upset. It's just the way she tried to tell me what I was doing wrong etc...

Anyways so I decided to go and see her, and tell her that I was very upset because I do not feel I am being cruel to DS and this was on HV advice etc.... trouble is, she was so 'nice to me' that all my 'strong will' intentions to stand up for myself went out the window. I told her I would try to minimise the crying in the mornings.

THEN, I was too upset to even stay at my house that night, that I went to stay at my EX's house... which I would never do, but I really didn't want to go back to my house, I didn't feel comfortable with going there and was scared in case DS was noisy.

Obviously I did have to go back the next day, and when DS woke at 5am, I was too scared to let him cry that I scooped him out of bed, and tried to cuddle him back to sleep in bed, but he just thought it was time toget up and I ended up getting up at this ridiculous hour!! Same thing happened the next day, and now he is getting in the habbit of getting up even earlier because I am too frightended for him to wake the neighbours up... Yes I tried giving him milk etc... but nothing helps if I take him o ut of the cot he thinks its time to start the day and wants to go downstairs...

The other day in the day time, DS was having a BIG tantrum - because I took the cherio packet away from him... it caused a huge meltdown.... absolutely kicking and screaming and rolling around hysterical. I was trying to give him the cheerios in a little pot rather than out of the packet. Nothing would calm him, i.e. Drink/Cuddles/the packet of cherios back/fruit ect.... he was just hysterical. NEXT thing I know - next door neighbour at the door banging...

She is come to see if everything is OK, and to say her 15 year old daugter can take DS out for a walk if I need a break. I was gobsmacked! Maybe she was being kind, but I felt like she is implying I can't handle DS and need time off!! I really woduln't want her 15 year old daughter to go out with him! If he was to go out for a walk I would be absolutely happy to take him myself! We weren't going for a walk because we were shortly going out to meet a friend for lunch and I wante dthe tantrum to pass so I could get DS ready. I really felt like she was checking up on me, and it made me feel like shit.

Maybe she is just trying to be nice, and helpful, but I felt - I can't even let DS have his tantrum without being 'checked up on'.

Later on I went round there because I wanted to make sure she knew that I wasn't a young mum, and that I am only 3 years off 30. I also talked to her about what a demanding child DS can be and he does cry a lot and I can't help that he has this type of personality, he has always been high need.

Has any one else had to deal with a anything like this before? What do I do about the mornings? Is it really unreasonable for me to let him cry if its before 6am? IMO beofre 6am its too early to get up.

Oh I Just feel like moving house! How dramatic is that!

xxx

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AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 14:50

she's already been doing it for that long, daddyj.

DaddyJ · 26/07/2009 14:53

And, may I add, it was an absolute killer for us AND for our daughter!

When we allowed our dd to wake up at 5:30am and just went with the flow
we all ended up like dead fish. Up the shit creek.
The day was awful. She was cranky, we were just about coping.

Absolutely no reason to put yourself through that day after day.

bibbitybobbityhat · 26/07/2009 14:54

Its already gone on longer than 3 days DaddyJ. Op should be researching an alternative or adjusting her pov re. 5.30am being too early, I think. But she doesn't want to hear that.

Goblinchild · 26/07/2009 14:54

I feel that this thread has been very unfair to teenagers, predicting their antisocial door slamming and loud music in the future.
My teens don't behave like this, and neither do their friends.
So if it does happen, consider it a response to being woken up at an ungodly hour by a wailing baby with a defensive mother.

DaddyJ · 26/07/2009 14:54

lemme re-read the thread, the OP sounded like it was actually working
until the neighbour interfered

bb, was it actually working?
would he go back to sleep after he had a cry?

cornsillk · 26/07/2009 14:55

Plenty of people get up that early for work - it's not that early!

TheCrackFox · 26/07/2009 14:55

You are right DaddyJ. 5.30am wakings are a killer. However, CC doesn't work for every child. The Op hasn't made it clear how long she has been trying to do CC but it sounds like a lot longer than three days.

DaddyJ · 26/07/2009 14:56

And what were you doing, BB, when he woke up?
Would you go in, shush him and then leave?
Or go in, shush, leave for 2 min, back in & shush, leave for 5 min etc?

AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 14:56

certianly the neighbour took 'a few days' to respond to her letter, so...

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 14:57

I really don't think this place is for me. Many of you have been really nice, thank you.

I'm really not a control freak, I find you VERY VERY offensive AitchTwoOh. Please don't say anything else to me regarding this.

I really do think a lot of this advice and tips are very useful so thank you.

Didn't realise Mumsnet was so... uhhh how can I say 'Full on'.

Herbeautittude - I think you've been nice :-) I just don't really like this style of forum really - or not used to it at least!!
I'm really quite happy as a LP, been in a very distructive relationship for many years and glad to be out it all now. Quite happy with my life as a mum, and my career, got plenty of friends and family around, I'm well supported, but yes being a LP is still hard no matter what, well being a parent full stop is hard.

Yeah have been doing it for more than three days, now as I said in the OP as soon as he wakes I've been scooping him out of bed and trying to stop him crying and where necessary I've been getting up before 6am.

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Goblinchild · 26/07/2009 14:59

,Plenty of people get up that early for work - it's not that early!

Are you insane cornsilk? 5.30am is a goddawful time to be woken up. Especially for a teenager.

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 14:59

cornsilk - I get up for work too. I am a working mother, have to get up 6.30am on my days on, so yes 6am is fine. I am talking about getting up before 6am is a bit early.

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AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 15:00

hmmm, don't really know how to respond to that, tbh. i think telling me not to speak to you any more is a bit, er, controlling...

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 15:00

Daddyj, yes I was doinjg CC, 5/ 10 mins etc....

Yes he was going back to sleep most of the time after 20 mins, if he didn't I had to get him up anyway.

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DaddyJ · 26/07/2009 15:01

It's not always this full on, BB, but you have probably unwittingly pressed a hot MN button
and, I have to tell you, the responses here are actually rather muted!

If you stick around a bit I can show you similar threads - and they ended up much, much worse

It's a lively place this!

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 15:02

AitchTwoOh - I just don't know why you feel the need to be so mean! I am such a nice person, I am not horrible to any one! I just don't understand what has happened to this thread! Every one that knows me says how kind and sweet I am, I am not defensive or contraversal or controlling.

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MoominMymbleandMy · 26/07/2009 15:02

Bluebella, responses on MN are people's genuine opinions and yes, they can be upsetting, even if not intended to be so. They are, however, often much more valuable and thought-provoking because they are honest.

OT but on another forum I have seen people sympathise and post hug emoticons to someone who was upset because a train inspector told her to take her feet off a seat. Not one person told her it was pretty bad manners to have them up there in the first place, so I don't think they were particularly useful responses.

I think your neighbour is well-meaning if a bit tactless but you've got to live with each other so I really would try to keep relations good tempered.

I can sympathise with the early wakings because my eldest used to wake up at 5 to 5.30am for a few months when she was a baby. It is a phase and it will pass. I bit the bullet and got up with her because she wasn't going to let anyone sleep and I don't feel leaving them to cry achieves anything apart from upsetting both of us.

It was amazing the amount of stuff I could get done by getting up so early. She was happy and I just got used to going to bed early for a while.

Advice from HVs is so mixed I would take it with a pinch of salt, frankly. Some of them are very good but I've met plenty of others who are barking mad.

I hope things improve for you soon.

Goblinchild · 26/07/2009 15:03

I have two teens, one with special needs. So my time is theirs until around 10.30pm. Then I have a break, then I have work for school. So my bedtime is around 1.30am.
I get up around 6.30am, ready for another day at work. So 5.30am would be a disaster for all of us, especially week after week.

DaddyJ · 26/07/2009 15:03

Ah, merci, BB!

I was going to quote you from before:
'When if I leave him he will go to sleep again in 20 mins till 7am?'

So in other words: you have done CC and it has worked.

Carry on and sort it out, once and for all.

For good measure: get your neighbour onto MN!!
This thread could become a classic!! LOL

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 15:03

tahnks DaddyJ, I have some other posts on here about my sons problem with his eye, so I will be around for them as I'm hoping to get more advice/support regarding his issue.

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TheCrackFox · 26/07/2009 15:04

How long did you do the CC thing? Anymore than a week and I can see why your neighbour would be annoyed.

AitchTwoOh · 26/07/2009 15:04

daddyj, give it a rest about cc, will you? that in no way is what's prompted the responses, the point is surely that if the OP thinks that 5.30am is too early to be woken up then the woman next door thinking the same thing is not unreasonable.

personally i have no problem with cc, done properly. it sounds like the OP was doing it properly but of course the woman next door didn't know that, all she heard was 20mins of crying.

Bluebella · 26/07/2009 15:05

maybe she already is on here!! It would be pretty obvious who it was about as its so specific!!

I can't carry on, I want to BEFORE 6am, but not AFTER, because I just feel awful to wake them up now that she has written to me in this way

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Bluebella · 26/07/2009 15:06

yeah more than a week. but some days it would work and he would go back to sleep till 7am, sometimes even later

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Goblinchild · 26/07/2009 15:06

'AitchTwoOh - I just don't know why you feel the need to be so mean! I am such a nice person, I am not horrible to any one! I just don't understand what has happened to this thread! Every one that knows me says how kind and sweet I am'

Sorry, but this made me giggle. Sugar overdose does that to me.