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Something very wrong with 3 1/2 year old bilingual DS.

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Chislemum · 11/02/2016 09:49

Something is clearly very wrong with our 3 1/2 year old bilingual DS.

The biggest concern for us is the difference between the nursery setting and the outside nursery setting in both language and behaviour. He is the youngest in the class (August 12) and was used to one to one (Mum and Nannies) until September.

Outside nursery: DS is a bit shy (just like my husband), but happy and chatty. He mixes languages but speaks in full sentences (you can have a proper conversation)., is very playful with us and the Nanny, and is becoming more and more confident; eg. very confident outdoors and in swimming lessons, happy and playing with (not alongside) other children in playdates and also okay in the hustle and bustle of of his swimming class. He is intuitive and caring and always knows when people are sad, etc. He is also cuddly and loves dancing with his Nanny and is very keen on animals, play-doh, story time and all types of vehicles.

Inside the nursery: Nursery teacher tells me he can't speak at all. When he speaks (he has to report his news in front of all the other children and then doesn't want to say much), then the teacher says he talks gibberish and looks away when she talks to him. He seems to only want to play with cars and doesn't talk to other children. However, he is confident outdoors and we had several comments in his little book that he was "chatty" with his friends with doesn't quite tally. We were also told that he can't sit still for long (which he can do at home) and became "fidgety" after 40 minutes in their recent church assembly.

A relative who knows DS well is a primary school teacher and confirms that he is shy and a bit behind with his English "as to be expected for a bilingual child" but not concerned that he is any special needs issues such as autism. Relative works in a "deprived" area and has worked with autistic, special needs etc children and many bilinguals. She also says that the DS' nursery seems to be "hothousing", i.e. learning things they would only cover in reception in the state sector. However, can this really make such a difference to him? He is doing fine with his letters when at home and now even ok with the teacher.

The Nanny, whom our son adores, says he is tensing up after nursery and doesn't want her to leave in the morning when she takes him there. He also told her (and us) repeatedly that he is scared of the teacher and hides from her in the toilet. In the morning he now asks whether it is a Mummy and Daddy day and when he is told it is a school day, he only says "oh". He has also told me that he wants to go to the "purple school in the fields where the children are happy" and not to his nursery. We just don't know where that is (he may have dreamt this up). What worries me most was that when I said to him that something was "normal", he looked very worried and said that "DS is not normal, no!". I have no idea why he would say that. He also has started to have recurring nightmares (last few weeks screaming "no" and shaking when he wakes). This is new since January.

His Nanny says he is a normal playful little boy and only 3.5 years old and she, in essence, thinks that we should consider moving him to another school (somewhere where "can be a child") and he would be fine and happy again. I can't be that easy.

How can we help him? It worries me how is changing so much and is so different at school. I have contacted a medical centre that specialises in special needs children but wanted to hear from other mothers.

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Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:06

@ewbank we got the perfect nanny, so yes, we could. She loves playing with him and has lined up lots of playdates and castle trips for the half term.

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Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:09

@hazeyjane DS is what he is and whatever he is I will love. He is not however how the nursery teacher describes him, at least nowhere outside nursery and even there she doesn't seem to get it right. How can the nanny see him chatting to the boy he always mentions and the nursery teacher insist that he never talks to other kids? I am just confused.

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jelliebelly · 11/02/2016 19:16

I think you need to take some time out at the weekend to reflect and discuss this with dh rationally. It sounds to me like you have a perfectly normal lovely 3 year old. It also sounds to me like the school is awful and I can't imagine what kind of 3 year old would thrive in that setting. Dh is worrying unnecessarily - at 3 he doesn't even need to be at nursery - any private school will start afresh.

anotherdayanothersquabble · 11/02/2016 19:22

Lots of good advice here about your nursery setting. You will get some good perspectives on bilingual children and language development if you post on 'Living Overseas' and focus just on your language observations. (Sounds completely normal BTW and that he is learning well in both languages and doing very well for his age)

CultureSucksDownWords · 11/02/2016 19:24

The explanation for his different behaviour is that he is unhappy there and the staff aren't taking the time to help him feel comfortable and happy! It's actually a really simple explanation.

I would inform them he's not returning after half term, and tell them that the environment is not a suitably nurturing one for a pre-school aged child. If your DH doesn't agree then he is being willfully stupid. The things your DH are scared of just won't happen. You need to act quickly so that this experience doesn't cause longer term problems.

Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:25

@anotherdayanothersquabble good idea. I will gather my strength and draft another post as soon as we have survived this storm!

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Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:27

@CultureSucksDownWords will make DH read this whole thread. He only comes home at about 9pm at night every day so might not force him today. He loves DS more than anything and just doesn't know how to deal with the situation.

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CultureSucksDownWords · 11/02/2016 19:33

I would think the weekend is probably a good idea if he's usually home late.

I am a teacher (from a family of teachers!) and I wouldn't send my DS to the kind of setting you've described. It isn't what I would consider to be a good approach for early years learning. Your own background is evidence for this, with the kind of kindergarten you described and not starting formal schooling till 6.

Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:48

Husband coming home even later today. My mum is reading me the riot act over the phone.

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SauvignonPlonker · 11/02/2016 19:53

A 3-year old being forced to sit in church services for 40mins? And having to trace his name 8 times every morning! WTF?!!

Nursery sounds far too academic & formal, where children become institutionalised and have their childhood sucked out of them.

villainousbroodmare · 11/02/2016 19:54

I'm quite sure that having considered things more, that all three of you, mother, father and nanny, will stand shoulder to shoulder in solidarity with your fantastic little boy.
Let us know what solutions you come up with. I think everyone on this thread really feels for your child. Smile

ktkaye · 11/02/2016 19:54

Another Reception teacher putting her hand up here to say it sounds very much as though the setting is wrong for your son - and what on earth are they doing dropping in more and more things on to the 'this is wrong' list?! How inappropriate. I am constantly baffled by some settings insisting that infants meet everyone's eyes all the time as if they are in some sort of high powered business meeting. LOTS of people find eye contact hard!

If his nursery is indeed more towards the 'hot housing' end of the education spectrum then it is far far too much for most young children. Yes you CAN force 3 year olds to write etc but there is overwhelming evidence to show it isn't particularly helpful and that they are much better off being encouraged to learn how to make friends and manage relationships/feelings etc. There is plenty of time for the three R's, early years is precious. Plus the onus is on the class teacher to support each child individually and work out not what is 'wrong' with children but what is wrong with the setting if they are not happy.
As other posters have said, talk to your husband, and above all listen to your child. Best of luck

MerryMarigold · 11/02/2016 19:54

What riot act is your mum reading you?

Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:55

@SauvignonPlonker not eight times, just once but his eight letter name.

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Chislemum · 11/02/2016 19:59

@MerryMarigold she says to put DS first, that he can't stay there, that he looks unhappy on photos, that he should be a child.

My brother had a stutter when he was little and my mother took him to a pediatrician and doc said it was because he tried to keep up with me (I am 1 yr and 10 months older). When me brother was 5 he all of a sudden talked normally. My mother just let him be. He was in the best 5% of his class all through primary school and got a uni degree. Hmmm, Yes. I hear it all.

PS I made the mistake to mention my brother's stutter to the nursery teacher who made a note immediately. sigh.

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Chislemum · 11/02/2016 20:00

meant to say "When my brother was 5", sorry

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elastamum · 11/02/2016 20:17

Please, please take him out now. I doubt very much there is anything wrong with your son apart from his nursery making him deeply unhappy. It sounds horrid.

Not going to nursery at 3yrs wont make any difference to your son's academic progress in the long run, but being deeply unhappy and anxious at that age can have a lasting effect.

FWIW neither of mine did full time nursery before starting reception as we also had a lovely nanny and I wanted them to be free and to go and do fun stuff and it has made absolutely no difference to their academic attainment. Just remember, they can always resit an exam, but they cant resit their childhood

simonettavespucci · 11/02/2016 20:22

So what's the deal with your DH (hello Chisle's DH if you're reading this)? It looks like it's clear what the problem is, and, fortunately, it's easily resolvable, as you seem to have the choice and the money. What is his concern about taking your DS out?

Do children even have a 'report' that goes on to the next nursery? You don't have to criticise the current place if you don't want to; you can just say 'we felt DS needed a different environment (given his bilingualism)' or something equally tactful.

Chislemum · 11/02/2016 20:28

@simonettavespucci my mother says hello via the phone from Germany and says you got it right, spot on indeed. She told me exactly the same. DS just woke up crying asking to lie in our bed with the light on, clutching his bear.

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slithytove · 11/02/2016 21:16

I've just read this whole thread.

I'm sorry but this is so frustrating! I don't understand why you are stil posting with more shite that terrible nursery has done!

Your little boy, still practically a toddler, is crying, is insecure, is doubting how wonderful he is, is hiding at nursery, and you aren't pulling him out immediately?

Please, please do so, put him with the nanny more or take a bit of leave if possible. Are you in the Uk? Post on the local Facebook page and ask for nursery recommendations, and ring tomorrow. I'm sure you will find somewhere but at least get him on a waiting list. I know you've said you will pull him out but I feel so strongly for your little boy, he seems to have no advocate!

Will he be going back to that dreadful place?

Just2MoreSeasons · 11/02/2016 21:59

Probably no help at all but I instantly thought the purple school/fields was the opening scene in Baby Jake on CBeebies. I know it's not actually school, but there are a lot of children😏

amarmai · 11/02/2016 23:04

def sounds like you need to find that school where the cc are happy. Listen to your ds -he is the one who matters. poor little fellow.

ChipsandGuac · 12/02/2016 01:44

Footle It was supposed to be a little light relief and solidarity.

NotCitrus · 12/02/2016 04:37

Just read this thread. It sounds like one of the 'Outstanding'-on-paperwork nurseries that gets its rating by getting in lots of kids of high-flying parents, most if whom will be compliant with impressive-looking academics, and any child who doesn't fit in is suggested they are at fault, never the nursery. Lots of them round Kent and Surrey.

If you have this great nanny, I would tell your ds in the morning that it's his last day at that nursery. If a local school nursery has a space, great, otherwise let him have fun with nanny and playgroups.

I wonder if your dh is the type of bloke who feels rather insecure about his status (perhaps only a minor private school, or works at a less impressive firm than some mates?) and hopes to make your ds 'compete' better? You may need to explain how childhood and education are long games and less pushing now and encouraging confidence should be a better basis for his future - many blokes just don't seem to know this sort of stuff!

insancerre · 12/02/2016 06:33

I manage a preschool and have over 25 years experience of young children
TAKE HIM OUT
The nursery sounds awful
I work hard to foster a nurturing environment in our nurserfy
Yesterday a child told me she loved me
Another said ours was the best nursery in the world, ever
The children often don't want to go home, one little boy used to hit his mum when he collected him at lunchtime so she extended his days. Now he asks to go at the weekend!
Please look for a new nursery, they are not all the same
We don't do tracing letters
We don't force children to speak
We would never say they were talking gibberish
I would be devastated if I bought a child was that unhappy in my sedtting