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Does anyone else want to come and be a better parent with me?

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AnotherMonkey · 18/02/2014 21:30

I've just deleted my original post in an attempt to be more positive.

I'm very low tonight, both of mine (4.5 and nearly 2) are pushing me so far beyond my limits at the moment.

So instead of posting my rant of misery, I wondered if anyone felt like joining me in choosing one thing to be less crap at at time?

Tomorrow, I am going to begin by taking it all less seriously. I'm going to try really really hard not to shout at all (this is difficult because DS is deaf at the moment and often does things which are not safe or bloody annoying but I'm going to find ways around it if I can). Essentially I'm going to try to take a step back and instead of letting poor behaviour bring me down, I'm going to try to isolate problems so that they can be dealt with. I might even make a list. I like lists.

(This evening was so bad I never want to see my neighbours again. I'm quiet, smart and even tempered in real life. Tonight our house must have sounded like a war zone. Or the screaming toddler equivalent. It's shit and it has to change).

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BertieBotts · 19/08/2014 22:51

I'm sorry Dishes, I didn't mean to worry you or anybody. Thank you very much for your post, it meant a lot to hear that somebody understands x

AnotherMonkey · 20/08/2014 09:04

You know what we've not had for ages?

Homework.

Grin

Anyone else feel like recording one thing they did for themselves each day? I'm going to try to do this this week.

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AnotherMonkey · 20/08/2014 18:16

Today, I set my two up with their afternoon snack but instead of rushing round doing stuff, I put peppa pig on, made a coffee and sat down too. For ten whole minutes. It was very pleasant. Little things... Smile

One thing I need to get to grips with is the madness which comes over me when DD screams. I find it irrationally difficult to cope with. At the moment it happens quite a lot, she's having another tantrum phase, so I really do need to find a way of keeping calm.

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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 20/08/2014 20:32

Funnily enough monkey that's exactly what I did too! and we do bare minimum screen time here. Only in the morning- sleep consultant stopped any screen at all after 3rd which has helped a lot but is hard as I really miss my 30 minutes 'getting straight' after tea while they watched. This morning dd slept in til 9am (she'd been up til 9pm but that usually means even earlier morning wake and grumpy child) then we all watched 20 minutes of TV together. It was lovely. I also arranged a night out next Thursday night with a friend. just got to inform dh now Wink

Survived dt2 falling off a wall onto concrete onto his head (of course) and falling off his chair onto his head on hard kitchen floor- he insists on standing on it not sitting on it. It's a trip trap style but one of those things i CBA to battle with so am letting go. While keeping calm. We mostly spent the day at a friend's house though so much easier to be calm as they're happier and I find it much easier out and about. Done solo bedtime ok too. One minor snap- trying not to focus on that.

I've been pondering how realistic my expectations are today. I seriously underestimate how long it's going to take me to achieve pretty much everything so am always often running late. This adds to all leaving stress. I think I need to accept my dc are busy, violent, squabbling little creatures and downsize all time frames and expectations eg no, it's not possible to hang out the washing without an interlude or three to sort out the dc to help with my frustrations...

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 20/08/2014 20:33

After 3pm not 3rd!

AnotherMonkey · 20/08/2014 21:04

A* Dreaming - what a great start Grin.

I think you're right about expectations. I absolutely cannot decide what to do about DS at mealtimes at the moment. His attention span doesn't last for long enough to eat the whole meal, and he gets up and down and drives us crazy. On the one hand, I feel that at 5, he should be able to sit for the duration of a basic meal. He must have to do this at school. And he's a skinny bean so even if I put good nutrition to one side, he really does need to eat more than just the rice/a sausage/whatever he fits in before his immediate hunger is satisfied and he loses interest. However. I'm very conscious at the moment that meals are turning into a battleground and I spent his first few years consciously avoiding exactly this. This is one area where we get the most verbal judgement from ILs and 'looks' when we go out for a meal, so that sense of being judged also has an impact on my feelings. Reward schemes have never had any impact on DS, I've tried all kinds of creative variants on this over the last year with no success! Any ideas/opinions would be very welcome.

Back to the screaming issue; I was chatting to DS at bedtime and we were talking about the fun we'd had today, despite us all being a bit poorly and grumpy. DS said he was sorry for being grumpy, I gave him a big hug and told him it was fine, we all have grumpy days, that I was sorry for being grumpy too, but I think DD was probably grumpier today than both of us. She really screamed, didn't she? Yes, said DS, I thought it was going to make me cry. :( It's such a rubbish phase, and I'm aware that I get impatient at DS while it's happening because he wants my attention too and my brain has switched to emergency use only. It's so hard.

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DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 21/08/2014 07:46

mine are all fairly normal weight wise. Slim but not skinny. I have kind of given up at mealtimes. I can get them all to the table. All 3 have trip trap style chairs. I cannot make the boys sit down throughout. DD is constantly making annoying noises. "it's gargling time boys!" No, no it isn't. It is horrible and bad table manners. Finishing their drinks putting beakers over their mouth and making funny echoey noises. If the boys get down or come and get on my lap I ignore that and carry on. They come and get back up for the fruit/dessert. I think it's the best I can do right now without getting totally impatient. I think the most annoying thing of all is DD constantly asking for the next thing, we're all eating eg our sandwiches and she'll be saying can I have a yoghurt please. I do her to wait til we're all done but then she just. keeps. asking. or totally. stopping the dts eating by announcing "it's cake time!" even if we don't have cake. or "boys, do you eat an ice lolly?" ^No one said anything about ice lollies dd but thanks for totally derailing the meal, argh!!!

And if mine aren't supervised/ directed into activities they just rough play and it always ends in tears.

My DT1 pushes all my buttons. He's harder work alone than the other 2 put together. He has enormous tantrums probably 5-6 times a day every day and can be more if he's tired or poorly. He screams the house down with back arching a Chinese gymnast would be proud of. He will lie on the floor and scream in every social situation from bike rides if u get too far away from. him herding the others to cafes if I try to leave him with dh and go to the toilet to playgroups (which he hates). His twin doesn't do this at all, or rarely to a minor degree. DD wasn't like this. He is certainly sent to try me. He is also very obstinate and spends a lot of time spoiling his siblings' games. dt2 gets into the cozy coupe car. dt1 wasn't even looking at it or bothered but now his brother is in it he is pushing and pulling at it, shouting my turn, basically stopping any fun dt2 can have with it. Until dt2 gets out and gives up. He does this and lol the time. distraction doesn't work. I just physically hold him.and say dt2 hasn't finished now or if I'm. less patient just bring him.somewhere else with me- but it means if I leave them to 'play' dt1 calls all the shots and is horrible to dt2. Any better suggestions? ?? (he can also be funny and sweet and affectionate and take turns nicely. just that's there's so much of the other. ..)

Last night despite a sleep through by all 3 dc til 6am I went to bed too late and couldn't get to sleep til about 1am so I will be struggling not to snap with that too Grin Grin Oh the joys.

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 21/08/2014 07:48

Oh dear. I hope that's legible through the typos but funnily enough dt1 tormenting dt2 so best go...

SearchingMySoul · 21/08/2014 10:15

Hi everyone, just had a quick catch up on the last few pages - it's been busy on here! We are on holiday at the moment. A crazy schedule of two weeks between the UK and Spain visiting all our friends and family that we miss so much. It's lovely but a bit heart breaking as we know we won't be back for a while. Boys schedules are all over the place especially in Spain where life is just a lot later in general. Just hoping we won't struggle too much to get them back on track for school when we are back in the US... So many great posts. So many very brave posts. monkey, I too worry that if this thread ever ends it will never be the same. A while ago I actually did a copy paste of the whole thread (it was shorter then!) and saved to word so I would never lose it Blush. Feel like I need to do another back up!
Welcome to the newbies! Hugs to all. Will be back properly in September.

mandbaby · 21/08/2014 20:41

Dreaming your twins sound just like my boys! Remind me again how old they are. You hit the nail right on the head with the "if mine aren't supervised/directed into activities they just rough play and it always ends in tears." This is my two down to a tee! Most of the yelling and lack of patience from DH and I comes from exactly this! But even when they ARE directed into an activity, it normally results in them bickering because one wants what the other has got (both of mine are guilty of this, but probably more so with DS1 (4y10m) than DS2 (3y1m) - especially as you say with things like the Cozy Coupe car. DS1 pretty much tries to drag DS2 out of it!! Or ends up forcing his way in so DS2 has to squeeze himself out of the window.)

What makes things even worse with my two is that DS1 is very big for his age (he wears age 5-6/6-7 clothes despite being only 4). DS2 is very tiny for his age (age 2-3 clothes swamp him). Therefore, when they're happily for the moment rough playing, DS2's only defence if he gets hurt is to throw/pinch/bite/kick. Strength wise he can't compete so he has to play dirty. It's just a recipe for disaster! Sometimes I don't think DS1 means to hurt DS2, but his sheer size and strength means its inevitable. One of my biggest concerns is how to stop DS2 retaliating, but more so, to stop retaliating in such a "below the belt" kind of way. Not only that, but DS2 has such a volatile temper. It really doesn't take much to annoy him, and when he IS angry, all bets are off. Even with us! He's been known to smack us or swear ("sod off"). DS1 has never done that. I really fear that when he starts school, if anyone annoys him he's going to end up pinching/kicking/biting/swearing. How do we nip this in the bud at only 3 years old?

I'm also in a dilemma as to when to let things go, and when to intervene. It's the biggest mental struggle I currently go through with my boys. If I yell at them for play-fighting, it goes on regardless. If I ask them politely and calmly to stop, it still goes on. They both absolutely love it. Until one of them gets hurt. And then it's nearly impossible to not end up yelling at them. Aaarrrghhh!!

AppleCrumples · 21/08/2014 21:05

Hi all just catching up. Not able to pist much until dc back at school and I can have 5 mins in the day!

Mine are the same if not supervise wrestling quickly becomes all out fighting. Currently ds2 and dd1 can't seem to stop torturing each other and I can't turn my back but their scrapping, driving me mad. My mumthinks its because they're both middles, but I think its more down to personality. She is a drama queen who has been quite unsettled by the arrival of dd2 and hevis a total wind up merchant!!

I am trying to calmly deal by getting them to talk rather than hit but itt takes effort and patience!

For myself I try to do a bit of cross stitch in the evening for a bit of time just for me Smile

Hope everyone ok

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 21/08/2014 21:12

Oh no, you mean it won't stop soon mandbaby ?! The twins are 2. well, 28 months so only really 2 and a quarter. DT1 is smaller and lighter (he's the reflux one) but he has the best motor skills of my 3. dd is 4 in September and joins in the rough play enthusiastically too. It drives me wild.

today though I am feeling horrendous as dd has injured her foot. While I ignored some rough play and placed a hobby craft order on my phone she ended up jumping off the sofa, a big jump, and landing on a plug. It punctured her foot very badly. Blood everywhere. The pin took a lump of flesh and skin too. This was 9:30 am this morning and by 7pm she's still totally unable to walk or weight bare. I feel awful, it was my phone charger too, left in a stupid place. dt1 moved it but it shouldn't have been lying around anyway. DH was home so we've basically plastered it and bought some dressings but I feel totally crap about the whole thing Sad Sad Blush

AnotherMonkey · 21/08/2014 22:17

Oh no dreaming that's horrible Sad it sounds like just the sort of thing which could happen here at the moment, DD is obsessed with throwing herself from one object to another. And frankly we're in a bit of a mess, I'm usually pretty tidy but once it slips it's so difficult to get back on top of it all again.

Hi searching Smile I like the idea of making a back up - I might just do that!

I've been dipping into The Mother Trip which bertie recommended a while ago. I'm finding parts of it very salient - if I ever get time I'll quote some of them.

For today's homework, I left for work early and spent an hour by myself in town before I started. benefit slightly outweighed by coming back to such a messy house, it meant I missed out on frantic cleaning time

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AnotherMonkey · 21/08/2014 22:20

Did you do your cross stitch this evening, crumples? What are you making?

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AppleCrumples · 21/08/2014 22:55

At the moment am working on a fairy picture but its more difficult than others I've done. I suffer from anxiety and found doing these kits kept me from having a nervous breakdown during my last pregnancy!

Was dd1 birthday today no idea where the last 6'years went!

dreaming I hope your dd is ok. Could so easily happen to any of us. My older dc are constantly leaving dangerous objects around for dd2 to get into and currenyly encouraging her to jump off the sofa so they can catch her..trouble she tries to do it when no one is ready to catch her now!

BertieBotts · 22/08/2014 22:31

I adore The Mother Trip. If I'm feeling sad I read it and it always makes me cry a lot.

Aha Parenting did an article (on the blog) about parenting when out and about today, it was really good, it also had a tip about when you're going into emergency, everyone is staring at me mode, it said to give yourself a mantra, repeat to yourself, it's not an emergency, she just needs to cry.

Sorry for short post. I had really greasy tea and now have really bad indigestion. Think I'm just going to go to bed.

DangoDays · 23/08/2014 22:07

Thanks for the lovely welcome. I cannot tell you how nice it was to read your messages. Sorry I haven't been back for a week! I wrote a massive post a couple of days ago when I was really having a dreadful day and then lost it before posting. It was such a bad day I couldn't muster retyping it nor could I find the time.

We are back from our holiday. Am doing a lot better after a great day. At last! DS1 was chatty and affection and no big blow ups when I had to be firm about boundaries or what needed to happen. I totally underestimated the stress of being in someone else's house, having an audience and being out of routine.

Had a great heart to heart with my brother about things after just uncontrollably crying. He was very understanding. Said it was really trying, he didn't judge me, that I clearly am very tired and that I need to build breaks in for myself and stop trying to be the perfect parent. I told him just how angry I feel sometimes with DS1 and he said he thinks I need to make looking after myself as a priority to help with what I think is just some really bad anxiety coupled with a lack of sleep. So weekly routine exercise and a weekly catch up without children with friends. Money is tight but I used to see a therapist who I would love to go back to see. It was good to read the comments made earlier about self care! Hope you are all making some much deserved time for yourself where you can. I find it so hard because its become habit to put things off for myself even down to eating and going to the loo!!! Anyone else like this? Its going to be a hard habit to break but I know I have to do it before things get worse.

Searching - I know what you mean about saving the thread. I just glanced at page 1 and read Monkey's advice to visualise the parent you want to be. Such a good thought to have at hand in those hard moments when it is all kicking off. Thanks for that:) I really like how it is a reminder to stay confident and not get sucked into to all the emotions flying around!

Dreaming and AnotherMonkey - mealtimes can be a real pain! Am so glad our holiday is over. I know that sounds awful but I no longer have to worry about others' thoughts at mealtimes. I think you have to just think about the end game and long term on those things that are not exactly as you would like right now. Somethings like sitting down for dinner are simply not going to be a problem later in life. I don't think I've ever seen an adult incapable of sitting at a table to eat - minus MIL!

So with that in mind it brings me back to the A and B point you raised last week AnotherMonkey that I have been mulling over with DH. Yes having independent children but ensuring that they understand what is socially acceptable. It is so important to me that my children have their own minds as I grew up always being a good girl - I was very compliant so as an adult I have struggled to be sure of myself. My parents always say I was really easy growing up. I sometimes regret just not falling into that default that I know and grew up with. No surprises there then that I am having a massive confidence crisis as DH and I go about it differently.

I know there are going to be times when I dislike things about my children - well just DS1 at the moment but I will probably experience these feelings about baby DS2 at some point. In those times I just want to remember the long game that I want to have a loving relationship where we respect each other and can talk to each other easily - not one based on fear. So when I get into panic mode and I just want a behaviour to stop then I MUST remind myself of that. Not to get too caught up in the moment. I love the mantra that you shared Bertie.

Okay my last thing then I will shut up! I know I am going on but feeling so much better that I just want help with this. So when DS1 cries I can generally cope with it quite well. The hardest part is when he just doesn't seem to give a shit about when I am telling him to be gentle or not throw something e.g. looking away, saying 'I am not going to listen' or laughing. I try so hard not to react and most the time manage it. The sleep deprivation is killing me though and I am trying to rationalise just how much that is eating at my patience. That I am not quite myself at the moment and a better rested me won't react like that. But then when he just gets giddy and I have end up trying to hold him and he goes really floppy and silly. His teacher recommended just ignoring him until he is ready to listen but sometimes it escalates quickly to hitting and throwing things! What then? Any ideas? Its similar to the bedtime crazies in that it seems impenetrable till he has a good cry. It'd be fine if he'd hurry up and have the cry but often there is a lot of horrible stuff before. Am flummoxed by this so anything would help.

AnotherMonkey · 24/08/2014 15:25

dango welcome back Grin

I first read your post when I was flicking through the thread, kind of scan reading but half listening to something else, and actually scrolled back up to check if it was one of my own.

We are in such a similar place with our eldest. It is like a weight is lifted each time I come back here.

They're both asleep right now which never happens, so homework easily achieved today! I'm really trying to work up the energy to leave DH in charge of bedtime one evening so that I can start some regular exercise again. I keep putting it off and aside from the overwhelming tiredness I'm not really sure why!

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AnotherMonkey · 24/08/2014 21:41

It's a reflective (and probably long) post tonight. In the interests of maintaining our over-disclosure theme I'm just going to put it out there ( :) ).

So this week has been tough.

DS has been unsettled and his behaviour has been rubbish. It's been OK on the rare occasion that DD isn't around, or if he's doing exactly what he wants to be doing at that moment. But otherwise; screaming, shouting, in-your-face impulsive physical stuff, hurting DD, and complete resistance to any approach to counter this behaviour. The rudeness (laughing/copying/ignoring/shouting that we're stupid/stamping/drawing DD into this too and finding ways to get her into trouble) is driving me crazy.

DD alternates between being an absolute delight and a complete nightmare - everything has to be exactly as she wants it or she goes supersonic. A million times a day. I know that this is stressing DS too.

But all this isn't what's really concerning me.

It's my internal reaction which concerns me. I honestly feel like I might be on the edge of a breakdown at the moment, and that sounds so dramatic because I know, both reading the behaviour back and even when it's happening, that at least a large part of it is completely normal and just needs riding out.

I think the main issues are as follows (god I do love a list):

  1. My relationship with my parents is difficult. My teenage years were a pretty dark time and I have dreams about running away from abuse. But it's very difficult to pinpoint exactly why. There are a few specific odd incidents but nothing to really explain the depth of it. I am terrified of history repeating itself. When I see DS shut himself off from me I see myself with my mum and I feel like I'm breaking inside.
  1. I don't know how to get through to DS when he is like this. Nothing works and in trying different approaches I'm not being consistent, but the alternative is to just pick one thing which doesn't work and blindly keep it up.
  1. I am scared. I'm scared about my lack of model for good parenting. I don't think my parents are bad people. I'm scared that we have issues with DS outside the range of 'normal' behaviour - we've been dealing with this for 2.5 years now with brief exceptions, will it ever actually get any better? I'm scared that not only am I not going to do a great job of all this, but that I'm going to fuck it up completely.
  1. I'm struggling with my own sense of self. I'm not quite sure how to summarise this because it is so all-encompassing but basically, the 'me' I created - everything from my career to my interests to the way others perceive me to my appearance to my strength to just about everything I was, has been blown apart. In lots of ways it's not actually a bad thing but I do feel adrift a lot of the time.
  1. I'm grieving the relationship I used to have with DS, when he was smaller and it was just the three of us. I've written about this before, but that grief is coupled with guilt, because I am so in love with DD.

I'm hesitant to post this, I thought perhaps typing it out would be enough. There have been many tears typing this post. DH is also finding it very tough at the moment so I know it's not complete madness on my part. I've got to get my head around some of this because I'm aware that it's colouring the way I deal with day-to-day behaviour. I'm just not sure how to do that.

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AnotherMonkey · 24/08/2014 21:53

The thing I haven't explained very well is that there's lots of good stuff and I see the good stuff - even on days like today there are moments when they make my heart fly. I don't think it's depression and it's not all the time.

The thing which bothers me is how quickly I sink though when behaviour is like this - I really struggle to keep a sense of perspective while it's happening. When it was just DS I was much better at taking things in my stride - is it hunger? check. Is it tiredness? check. Is it illness? Is he just in a grump - let's get outside. I think of myself as pragmatic and able to assess and deal with issues. Whereas now, all this other stuff crashes down on me and I end up becoming irate and desperate. I suppose that between the two of them, and DS' tendency to try to outdo any difficult behaviour from DD, it's vastly more relentless than it used to be.

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BertieBotts · 24/08/2014 22:30

Oh, Monkey :( I'm sorry you're feeling so strained. If it helps I have a friend in real life here who has four children and she describes the period of having two (or more) under five as being "in the trenches" and she is extremely sympathetic towards anybody in that stage. It will get better. It will.

Renegade Mothering, which I love because it is sweary and angry and hilariously honest as all out and it tells the raw, the awfulness, the hard parts, everything about parenting that nobody ever surfaces because we are afraid if it comes out it will hurt somebody, this week wrote an incredible article about how she was hoping four would be a magical switch for her daughter - her youngest daughter, so it's not like she is doing this for the first time - and it wasn't.

The loss of self when you have children is so real, and so frightening and so sudden and painful. It's like a nail being ripped off the nail bed. Not one of us can imagine it before it happens, and the worst part is the gap between what happens to us as mothers, and what happens to our husbands, boyfriends, partners is so huge that we feel so alone with it. We can't share it with them because they don't get it. We can't share it with other women because we're scared they will think we're bad mothers. I'm going to share with you another Renegade Mothering post because it is so true and so heartbreaking but it does contain hope. (and if you want to read the four year old post just click on the home page of this afterwards) This one will make you cry (just a warning!) www.renegademothering.com/2013/02/09/i-became-a-mother-and-died-to-live/

There was also a post a little while ago where a lot of people poured out their feelings in regard to this and it was wonderful and beautiful and frightening and true all at the same time. I'll see if I can find it if you're interested. In fact a few of us had a support thread going. I should PM some people and see how they are doing.

Did I ever talk about how I grieved for the relationship I had with DS before DH came on the scene? I had forgotten that. At the time it seemed so important and so all encompassing. I was always all that DS had, XP was not involved. When I left I left for him, almost more than for myself. And for a year we had a beautiful co-operative one to one relationship, almost as equals, in a way. It was so special, just the two of us. We needed each other and as such I couldn't rely on discipline like time out, etc, because I was all that he had and we needed to be able to coexist. Everything was great. And then it just happened that DH came along and although I couldn't imagine being without him now, he did disrupt that relationship that we had and it became "us and him". Suddenly I have an ally, and he has nobody. That's over dramatic and of course we're not at war with him or anything and he is fine and we are supportive and it's not like we're constantly shouting at him or punishing him or anything like that, but it changed. I remember talking to my mum about it at the time because I was worried about losing that very unique relationship and we did. And it's different, and it's okay but I used to wonder what if a lot. In hindsight, I know it was his age which changed things, because his age has brought change the other way, and I've found I'm not alone. And if I think back there were challenges before DH was around or got so involved and things were heading that way anyway and it was just a stage we had to go through. He is six in October, so it's been three years. 2.5 for the toughest part but three years. He's okay now. We're okay. (I'm not okay, but I don't think that's related to him as such.) If your DS is outside the range of normal then you will deal with that and he will be fine. It's just about finding out what works for him, just as with any child, in fact any person you interact with.

Stupid quote to end my ridiculously long post (as usual): Everything will be okay in the end. If it isn't okay, it isn't the end.

BertieBotts · 24/08/2014 22:31

I mean, god, they tell you childbirth is the painful part. I wish!! Grin Childbirth was easy compared to all this!

AnotherMonkey · 24/08/2014 23:05

Thanks Bertie x I've just cried laughing at the 4 year old one on renegade, that cheered me up no end. I'd forgotten about her blog, need to catch up.

I'd definitely be interested in that other link you mentioned too.

I can really relate to the relationship shift you've described. Will come back to this tomorrow, I want to reply properly but so tired! Thanks for being there.

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BertieBotts · 24/08/2014 23:14

It's interesting because in a way it's the other way around but if DD is so little that she is still reliant on you it probably doesn't feel that way yet, it probably feels as though she and you are the new "us" and there is him, pushed out (although of course that's not what you are doing, perhaps you're seeing that he's feeling this.) I remember something about this in Siblings Without Rivalry. I can't remember if you said you'd read that one or not?

I think once she turns three and is more into co-operative play rather than parallel play they will suddenly turn into allies and you'll be the one on your own. I'm sure they'll have their moments of course but I think it's just hard when they have such vastly different needs, when they're more in the same stage, it will be easier. This is all theory because I don't know, of course, but there is such a shift at three, not only to the challenging behaviour, but to the increased communication, the need for independence, all of those things.

DS' best friend's mum is pregnant with #3 and he's worried that the new baby "will be annoying and want to bug us all the time like his little brother". Current little brother is just about to turn 2. It's hard for them to play when they are that age.

I'll see if I can find the old thread :)

BertieBotts · 25/08/2014 01:50

Well, I'm stupid and have looked for the stupid thread for 3 hours before finding out it was in chat :(

There wasn't another one like it, although there have been threads which talk about the identity thing. It's a shame. I wish I had saved it now.