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Does anyone else want to come and be a better parent with me?

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AnotherMonkey · 18/02/2014 21:30

I've just deleted my original post in an attempt to be more positive.

I'm very low tonight, both of mine (4.5 and nearly 2) are pushing me so far beyond my limits at the moment.

So instead of posting my rant of misery, I wondered if anyone felt like joining me in choosing one thing to be less crap at at time?

Tomorrow, I am going to begin by taking it all less seriously. I'm going to try really really hard not to shout at all (this is difficult because DS is deaf at the moment and often does things which are not safe or bloody annoying but I'm going to find ways around it if I can). Essentially I'm going to try to take a step back and instead of letting poor behaviour bring me down, I'm going to try to isolate problems so that they can be dealt with. I might even make a list. I like lists.

(This evening was so bad I never want to see my neighbours again. I'm quiet, smart and even tempered in real life. Tonight our house must have sounded like a war zone. Or the screaming toddler equivalent. It's shit and it has to change).

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jigglebum · 02/07/2014 11:49

settheworldonfire - what you said about sometimes expecting too much from a 6 year old so resonated with me. My DS is actually pretty mature for his age but I have to remember he is only 6 and he is not always deliberately being annoying - he is just being a 6 year old boy! They are still very young and I do expect too much from him at times I think. I think I do it to DD too and she is only 2!

I am a good mum when they are behaving and we have fun, do fun stuff and chat and have lots of cuddles etc. If I am feeling calm and have time I can deal with bad behaviour quite well too but... all to often I am stressed about something (often DH or getting to school on time etc) and then I take it out on them if they misbehave even a bit and find myself screeching at them and I say stuff to DS which is too much for a 6 year old - I need to keep it simple and calm. He got an earful in the car today and it wasn't really all his fault we were late - he faffed putting shoes on but there were other factors before that and he got the blame - not fair on him and I must try and be nicer!!

Letsgoforawalk · 02/07/2014 18:50

bertie! I've just done the maths! You had your son at 20, he is now 5. You are the same age as my eldest daughter.......

BertieBotts · 02/07/2014 20:40

Blush Don't do that! My mum is very young and glamorous Grin

Letsgoforawalk · 03/07/2014 16:27

Ah, just like me then Wink

BertieBotts · 03/07/2014 17:00

DH is home late tonight and it's hot and DS is getting on my tits, as he usually does when DH is home late (not sure what that's about)

Still, one hour til bedtime! Although I've gone and posted on that co sleeping thread so I'm going to be wound up all evening probably... Hmm

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 03/07/2014 19:02

Popping in, hope to be back later to post properly.

It's not that I mean to write the day off once I've got cross and shouted, it's just that often its that lethal combination of things which has set it off- tiredness all round, whinging toddlers, DD teasing them and not listening to me, I shout, feel awful, think I've blown another potential day of being a better parent and not shouting... and then low and behold, off I go again. I screeched at them all for shouting and arguing today- ffs, HOW could that ever help anything?! I'm tired and totally had enough though.

I agree with you jigglebum when it goes well I'm almost smug about how good it is/I parent. And thena bad day happens (i've had several good no shouting days though!) I just don't want them to remember me being a shouty cross mum.

Anyway, DH home tonight already and he's got all 3 in the bath so I'd best go and help. DT1 learning to go to sleep by himself week this week...

jigglebum · 03/07/2014 21:33

DS told me today I wasn't anywhere near as nice as Topsy and Tim's mum on television, as she is always smiling and nice to them! yes - her kids are immaculately well behaved that's why DS! He is increasing saying I am not very nice and horrid etc and daddy, nana and other people's parents are all nicer. I think sadly I do probably tell him off too much but then daddy, nana etc never tell him off so its all down to me! It's so hard - I want my kids to remember their childhood with happy memories and I try hard to create them but I also want them to be well behaved and they wind me up so much some days.

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 05/07/2014 20:12

Oh ffs. just bawled at my three about tidying up after tea NOT playing rough games involving throwing yourselves over the sofa arms and off. Argh! will I never learn? !

BertieBotts · 05/07/2014 22:57

Lol jiggle - whenever DS watches Horrid Henry I cringe because I hear myself in the mum on that!

mandbaby · 06/07/2014 21:08

I'm really struggling with the book "When your kids push your buttons...". Half way through and it's still going on about how our own childhoods "create" the buttons that our kids then push. I really don't buy this. My problem is I have a short fuse, and don't like feeling out of control.

Do I stick at it or start another one...?

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 06/07/2014 22:20

Start another m&baby I liked peaceful parent happy kids and how to talk so.kids listen and listen so kids talk. so why am I not putting them into better practice Though today was good, bar me being really irritable as dd in vile.mood intent on terrorising the dts this morn. Turned out breakfast fixed all that though Blush Blush

mandbaby · 07/07/2014 09:03

Yes, dreaming, I've read both if those and enjoyed them. And when I apply their techniques, we definitely have a more positive household. It's just learning to do it when I'm tired, angry and feeling under-appreciated by DH.

Both my boys have chicken pox atm. DS1 has it worse and had a very bad night's sleep with itching. I was up to him at least 7 or 8 times - once for over an hour. When I returned to bed I was unable to sleep as hubby was snoring, baby had hiccups and was lying on a nerve causing my leg to keep twitching. When DS1 began crying again an hour and a half after I last went to him, I was still wide awake but hubby had the nerve to moan about being woken up! I bet he got 7 hrs sleep compared to my 2 or 3. Grrrrrrr.

combust22 · 07/07/2014 09:07

I am another who enjoys a positive approach. I have never punished - it's the way I was raised, so comes quite naturally to me.

BertieBotts · 07/07/2014 12:15

Mild trigger warning in this post.

Stick at it. It's definitely not all childhood related although the book is heavy about it. But I felt like that the first time I read it. Part 1 is hard going. What I did was read about half of part 1, felt meh about it, put the book away for 6 months, decided to try again, went through part 1, tried to do the exercises, got frustrated with it because I was finding the exercises too hard and irrelevant (they kept asking things like "Why do you think your child did X" and my answer was I DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE HE WANTS TO HURT AND ANNOY ME BECAUSE HE'S A MINIATURE PSYCHOPATH WHO THINKS THAT IS REALLY FUN?? I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

I found I had to read through all of part 1 and gather my thoughts on it first and so I made my own kind of exercise - I listed all of the behaviours which "push my buttons" and then tried to categorise them. I think I ended up with four categories -
-feeling like I can't get him to do something that I need him to do
-demanding my attention when I can't/don't want to give attention, not letting me have space
-walking all over my (physical) boundaries, e.g. touching my bum/boobs when I've asked him a million times not to
-(and another one I forget)

So, with these categories in mind I started to do each exercise in turn, using one "category" of button pushing behaviour for each one rather than repeating a lot of the stuff. In actual fact I only ever did one or two of the exercises. The one I remember, using the "fear" exercise, was the touching one - I went into this thinking this is stupid and hopeless, I don't know what the reason is behind it, it doesn't make sense, and I'd got to the point of lashing out and slapping at his hand or pushing him away because it just made me feel so horrible and I could not understand why even this - which I felt guilty about - wasn't deterring him. In fact he decided it was a game and used to laugh and do it more.

I wrote that my fear was he would become a rapist because he didn't understand that other people have boundaries. (This part, for those who haven't read the book, asks you to think what really is your worst fear about this behaviour, even if it sounds silly or extreme written down - the example in the book is a woman whose daughter will not eat, and her fear is that the child will starve or become ill and malnourished)

I then thought - no, what is my fear about me, (I can't remember if this was a question or not) - and I realised that my own fear was what was getting in the way. The thing that was coming back to me is that I have been sexually abused in the past, including by DS' father, and it wasn't so much that DS was intending to make me feel intimidated, of course he wasn't, he was four, but that my fear was "I have no boundaries. I can't even stop my own four year old child from crossing my boundaries. I can't protect myself from the same thing happening again."

This was a really, really big and emotional moment for me. It made me realise that everything is connected. No, this particular issue was nothing to do with my childhood but it was about a fear that was still affecting my life now, although it wasn't something I was consciously aware of and it wasn't something I was "in danger" of at that time. Parenting is not a task so much as a relationship and whatever is going on for you is going to come through and colour how you experience that relationship. Once I separated out the two issues, I realised that I had had a very attachment-y parenting style when DS was little and was always carrying him or holding him and feeding on demand etc. He'd stopped breastfeeding and was too heavy and wriggly to carry or hold most of the time so he was probably missing that closeness, and trying to tell me that he needed to be close to me. And I was responding to that by hitting him and pushing him away! :( Then I thought, wow, he must be feeling so rejected by that, and then I realised that the reason he was probably laughing and treating the whole thing as a game was because the idea that I was rejecting him just didn't enter his head at all, like that was so ridiculous the only possibility was it was a joke, or a game. Which made me feel quite humbled that he had so much faith in me.

OK - hard going. It is and I think you need to be able to take a critical look at yourself. It can help you figure out why your fuse is short (especially if that's only in certain situations) or you need to be in control but the answers probably won't be nice easy "oh I dealt with that years ago" answers, it will be something that's ongoing, perhaps something you're sort of aware of but you don't want to look in the face. As a positive story, mine ended up that I was able to give myself a new perspective, I could understand DS was trying in his own way to reach out, I consciously tried to encourage positive/appropriate ways to touch and be close, I was able to more calmly redirect him if he did and I made much more effort not to be naked around him (whereas before I was feeling almost indignant, like I shouldn't have to hide away from my own son - to make the boundary more clear it seemed appropriate to use clothing to make a physical statement and that wasn't taking away any of my power to say no.)

I didn't end up going to the root of any of the others (or, I haven't yet) because that was quite hard work in itself so I didn't feel ready to, but I read the rest of the book anyway. Part two was very helpful to me because it outlines all of the different buttons. I think if you're struggling, start with this part, as it doesn't really require anything from you except to identify which parts you see in yourself. Then move back to part one but you can always skip a chapter if it's not speaking to you. I'd definitely read part 3 last and read all of it - it starts out quite depressing but is really uplifting, encouraging and positive towards the end.

I think if you decide not to keep going with the book, keep it around. It might be that in six months, a year, two years, you feel like you're in the right place to pick it up again.

mandbaby · 08/07/2014 12:55

Bertie I had JUST started Section 2 before I read your reply and had a sneak peak at various pages in Section 3 and decided to stick at it. I'm glad I am sticking at it because, oh my God, the "Control" button it talks about in Section 2 is completly me! I haven't identified the route of its cause, but I HATE to be out of control and when my children disobey me or I can't control them, i get so angry! All the little stories that followed in this chapter I can completley identify with. I suppose now it's just finding out how to let go of that need for control.

Another bad night for me last night (in terms of sleep). DS1 still very uncomfortable with his chicken pox which led to me getting about 2 hours sleep. And DH still plays the "my job is more important than yours, therefore it's more important that I get a good night's sleep" card. I agree, his job IS more important. But his need for sleep isn't, which he doesn't "get" and in turn makes me angry/upset/unappreciated/etc. It's very hard not to direct those feelings towards the children. But I'm trying. I am determined to change as a parent. I just hope that the change continues to rub off on him, rather than rub against him.

Incidentally, what do you guys think about Good Cop, Bad Cop parenting? Do you think it can ever work? Do you think a balance is good? Or do you think consistency is the ONLY way forward? I ask because what happens if I DO become the parent I want to be, but he continues to be the parent he currently is? Will this be more harmful for our children, or will it provide a good balance? What if they only remember his negative techniques rather than the positive techniques I'm trying to implement (i.e. no shouting, no punishments ever, no blame.)

mandbaby · 08/07/2014 12:58

Oh, I forgot to tell you all.

I made some big efforts to get myself out there and meet people last week. Took both DS's to a rhymetime session at our local library (I didn't meet anybody but it was great to be out doing something different). The next day we went along to our local Mums & Toddlers, which they loved and some of the other mums there made a big effort to speak to me. And I've also got in touch with another local mum who posted an "ad" in the local Meet-a-mum section on another parenting website. We had agreed to meet up later this week but I've had to cancel due to DS's having chicken-pox.

I am determined though in my effort to keep it all going. I WILL be the mum I always imagined I would be when pregnant with DS1!

Letsgoforawalk · 08/07/2014 21:16

mandbaby that's really good news about the socialising. I'm such a bossy sort though it's a trait I dislike in myself and try to squash I love it when people take my advice. Smile
About the good cop bad cop thing, I think children are sufficiently adaptable to cope with different styles of parenting but the "big" rules should be agreed on by both of you. Criticism of each other (either directly or subtly) is a big no no.

Letsgoforawalk · 08/07/2014 21:28

Sorry that meant to say "criticism in front of the children". To friends, in confidence, on here is sometimes an essential safety letting off steam kind of thing.........Wink

AnotherMonkey · 09/07/2014 11:36

Bertie some of your posts are just amazing. You've made me want to get back to the buttons book.

I was beyond rubbish this morning. Ended up getting mad at DS and DH. Stomped around downstairs for a bit and cried in the kitchen. Blush

We all made up but what a crap start to the day.

mandbaby - I'm so impressed by your socialising! That's a brilliant start, I can't believe you set up so much so quickly Grin

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BertieBotts · 09/07/2014 12:13

Blush Thanks Monkey!

I am also impressed by socialising - really good :) it's a lot of just getting out there and doing it and over time you'll realise "Oh, I do have friends!"

DH is very big on two parents having different styles and feels it's a good thing. It's not something I can relate to because my parents were/are divorced. I think probably as long as your goals are the same then it doesn't matter if you're both achieving/encouraging those ideas in different ways, they're getting the same message. If his message is something you don't want them to receive then you'd need to talk about it though.

I used to have a blog for parenting stuff but sort of fell off the wagon a bit (mainly due to feeling I wasn't a very good parent!) but I'm thinking about doing some reviews of How To Talk and Buttons.

AnotherMonkey · 09/07/2014 14:55

Bertie I can really relate to that - I used to post a lot on MN although I had a different username back then. Now though... I've written 3 replies today, thought wtf do I know, and then deleted them. This is pretty typical!

It's one thing losing parts of the day to MN but I think this takes time wasting to a whole new level!

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Letsgoforawalk · 09/07/2014 22:35

monkey ! Hello. I'm sorry you had a rubbish start to the day, hope it got better. On the subject of 'feeling like a not good parent' and 'wtf do I know?' I think we just need to go back to the title of this thread and to your original post...we are never going to achieve perfection or the "ideal" that may be pictured. What we are trying to be is "better" not saints...

But sometimes it will all work and everyone will be singing in the car, or that meal you spent ages preparing will go down a storm, you will offer some homework advice and they will actually take it and may even remember to thank you when they get a gold star, they might help tidy up without being asked eight times , siblings will spend the afternoon making a den and plotting their world domination strategy instead of knocking ten bells out of one another......
I'm not suggesting this will happen every day, but when it does, bank that memory, wrap it mentally in a gold frame and keep it close so you can always remind yourself that it can be great, how much you love your child(ren) and maybe bringing back the memory in tougher times can help you mentally get back to the behaviour/ mindset / situation that let the happy time happen?
bertie I lurked briefly on the co sleeping thread that you posted on, I sense you are someone that understands the limitations of epidemiological research! I hope you are stretching that smart brain of yours, not just on these threads.
Ooh long post, hope I've not sent you all to sleep Wink

mandbaby · 10/07/2014 08:13

Where is the co-sleeping thread? I'd be interested in reading others views especially with dc3 on the way.

jigglebum · 10/07/2014 21:04

Feeling rubbish tonight. Ended up sending DS to his room after repeated warnings of rough play with DD when he threw a car at her. It was for 10 mins but he argued all the way - so I said it would be 20 if he didn't behave. I go downstairs - he goes to his room but then comes out and chucks a load of things down the stairs. I go up and tell him it is now 20 mins. DD is being a pain - wanting to still play silly games with her brother so she goes into her room too. I stay on the landing. DD goes off to play in her room. DS opens his door and tries to come out with his swimming noodle - I know it is to poke DD with. I over react and tell him to get his pjs on and spend the rest of the evening in his room until bedtime (about an hour)

(D)H meanwhile is ignoring everything and eating his dinner and watching tv in the kitchen. He then says to me - am I allowed to go and see my kids now. Of course he is but I explained that DS was in his room in disgrace. He goes up plays games with DS with DD in there too and it all gets silly again and DS has had no punishment for his behaviour and has learnt once again that he can play DH and me off against each other. We are really struggling to live together DH and I but there is no way he will ever move out and I feel very tied financially (I earn v little) and to the stability of the family home. He honestly thinks his only job is to work (paid) and play with his kids. I am always the one who has to do everything else and do all the actual "parenting" and then he tells me off if I shout at them, which I am trying really hard not to do. He treats me with such a lack of respect and I really do wish in many ways he would go. The house is much calmer and I am a better parent without him there.

BertieBotts · 10/07/2014 22:06

I felt it was quite constructive this time, some co sleeping threads are less so and turn into more of an emotional bunfight, understandable as it's an emotional issue but it doesn't help to throw around scaremongering things.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2123024-Good-Morning-Britain-declaring-co-sleeping-unsafe-under-1yo

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2123500-To-think-the-new-blanket-ban-on-co-sleeping-new-NICE-guidelines-warning-of-dangers-of-co-sleeping-with-under-1s-announced-today-may-be-going-too-far

jigglebum that sounds hard. Have you posted on Relationships? They can often be good with advice about how to end a relationship when the other partner is refusing to do so, it doesn't always mean fleeing with the children.