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AnotherMonkey · 18/02/2014 21:30

I've just deleted my original post in an attempt to be more positive.

I'm very low tonight, both of mine (4.5 and nearly 2) are pushing me so far beyond my limits at the moment.

So instead of posting my rant of misery, I wondered if anyone felt like joining me in choosing one thing to be less crap at at time?

Tomorrow, I am going to begin by taking it all less seriously. I'm going to try really really hard not to shout at all (this is difficult because DS is deaf at the moment and often does things which are not safe or bloody annoying but I'm going to find ways around it if I can). Essentially I'm going to try to take a step back and instead of letting poor behaviour bring me down, I'm going to try to isolate problems so that they can be dealt with. I might even make a list. I like lists.

(This evening was so bad I never want to see my neighbours again. I'm quiet, smart and even tempered in real life. Tonight our house must have sounded like a war zone. Or the screaming toddler equivalent. It's shit and it has to change).

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AnotherMonkey · 10/07/2014 22:42

Thanks letsgo. You're right (as usual :) ). I've been thinking along the same lines this week, funnily enough. I'm my own worst critic at the moment.

Jiggle that sounds really tough. No great advice but I'm here supporting you.

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AnotherMonkey · 10/07/2014 22:55

We've never officially co-slept, but since DD, nighttime in our house is basically a big game of bed swaps. If it was down to me, we'd have one massive mattress on the floor and that's where we'd all sleep. I love having them close.

DD brings out my animal instinct - if I climb in with her, she relaxes and sighs and pushes her head into me and is just so happy that I'm there. It's hard to resist Grin

DS is more elbows and knees now, and generally stays in his own bed until the morning, but he still runs into us sometimes and I love it.

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combust22 · 10/07/2014 23:01

I coslept from birth with my children- for a number of years. Saved my sanity and ensured we all had a good nights sleep. I was very aware of all the research and controversies.

BertieBotts · 11/07/2014 06:10

Oh monkey that sounds lovely. I loved co sleeping as well. It ties into that newborn feeling that i can meet all their needs without my personality flaws getting in the way!

Friends of mine did the one big mattres on the flier thing. I suspect DH would moan. maybe I should sell it to him as a japanre thing!

italksense · 11/07/2014 10:22

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mandbaby · 11/07/2014 10:41

Italksense I take it that don't teach spelling or grammar at The Dickhead School for Trolls?

mandbaby · 11/07/2014 10:42

*they not that

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OriginOfSymmetry · 11/07/2014 10:50

oh just fuck off italksense, I've reported you.

aturtlenamedmack · 11/07/2014 10:55

The apostrophe on the n' gives it away.

BertieBotts · 11/07/2014 12:53

Er, totally missed that! Haha

Letsgoforawalk · 11/07/2014 13:30

Me too, popped out for a bike ride and came back to find metaphorical MN upturned chairs and bloodstains on the carpet......whatever it was seems to have been thoroughly and quickly dealt with.
Thank you origin for reporting, mandbaby lol @ 'dickhead school for trolls'

AnotherMonkey · 11/07/2014 17:55

Can't believe I missed the troll.

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AnotherMonkey · 11/07/2014 18:03

I've realised today that when my two start to get a crazy, my response is to CONTROL. And they just push and push and push against that. Until we all combust.

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mandbaby · 11/07/2014 19:49

Well, what an unbelievable shitty evening I've had. I sit writing this in floods of tears.

DS1 (4.8) has been a little "challenging" today and I did end up snapping (not shouting) at him this morning which caused him to burst into tears, apologising. After that, the day went pretty well - especially with DS2 who has been so well behaved and has done everything I asked of him and been so cuddly and happy.

When hubby came home this afternoon, he was clearly not in the best of moods after he'd had a bollocking at work. He went upstairs to get changed and DS2 followed him, picking up my fluorescent pink marker pen that I'd stupidly left on the stairs (behind the previously locked stairgate) along with my parenting books (I use the pen to mark really poignant sentences/paragraphs that strike a chord with me). Moments later, DS2 came back downstairs covered in pink highlighter pen. I surprised myself at how calm I remained. I didn't shout or punish but told myself that what happened had been the natural reaction of a 3yo who'd just found a bright pink pen that I had left out. DS2's reaction was clear to see: he looked mortified he'd let me down and no shouting was needed to make my point. Happy days. :)

Anyway, hubby went out to cut the grass while I cooked tea and the boys both watched a DVD. Half an hour or so later, tea was ready and I went outside to set the table. Hubby had left the petrol can for the lawnmower on the table so as I wiped the table clean, I passed him the can. He put it on the floor.

We both popped back inside (me to fetch plates and hubby to wash hands) and DS2 went outside to get seated, ready for his tea. When hubby walked back outside, DS2 had picked up the petrol can and had tipped it on the patio. Hubby was clearly VERY angry, so I quickly took DS2 inside to wash his hands. Just like with the pen incident, DS2 looked mortified. He knew he'd done wrong and to me that was enough. Hubby started ranting how he wanted to burn my effing parenting books. So I said to him "what good would shouting at him or smacking him do? It wouldn't change anything, it would just release some of your anger and make DS2 resent us. It wouldn't make the petrol stain disappear. Besides which, it only happened because you left it there - just like I'd only have had myself to blame if he'd drawn on the walls with pink pen". Next thing, hubby is kicking the outside wall and saying "oh just fuck off". I came inside, served up our tea and sat there upset but trying and failing so hard not to cry in front of my boys. Hubby remained outside trying and failing to get soaked-in petrol out of our newish patio. He punched the fence (breaking a piece off), violently pushed the lawnmower against the fence, and then sat outside "calming down" for 20 minutes before storming off upstairs to the study (where he still is - he didn't even come down to kiss the boys goodnight or read DS1 a story like he always does (while I read to DS2)). I don't know if he's up there working or surfing the net. A bit of both, I imagine.

That was 2 hours ago. I know what will happen now. He will spend the evening avoiding/ignoring me. Then he'll come into our bedroom at 9ish, get ready for bed, get into bed, roll over and not speak to me til morning. If I'm lucky.

This is what ALWAYS happens if we have a big argument or he gets very angry at me. Most people take 10 minutes to come down from that level of anger. With hubby, it takes 24 hours. Sometimes longer. He's had arguments with friends/family and not spoken to them afterwards for months/years.

The other thing that always happens after we get argue/he gets really angry is that we don't talk about it. It will now all get swept under the carpet and "forgotten" about. I wish this wasn't the case as I REALLY want to say to him how completely and utterly unreasonable he was, but he just doesn't see it. And never, ever will. He really believes that his anger was appropriate and that DS2 should have been smacked and punished for what he did. I don't even know why he's still so mad. It's probably guilt, embarrassment, stubbornness, hatred of my new ability to remain calm. Who knows.

DS2 is 3yo. Just! It was his birthday last week. He picked up a petrol can and poured the contents out. He'd have done this if the can contained water, milk, paint, molten lava! He's inquisitive (like every other 3yo) and to top it off, it was hubby's fault it got left there!

The baby hasn't stopped kicking since this happened due to all the stress and adreniline running through my body. Another fact that hubby just doesn't see. His anger, as well as being inappropriate (on this occasion at least) has a huge knock on effect with SO many things.

Our parenting views are getting further and further apart. It seems. Although, maybe tonight was magnified by the fact that he'd had a really shitty day at work (I know it was bad because he looked far more stressed than normal). I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt to some degree. We can all have bad days - it doesn't make us bad people, right?

But the other thing is, our big blow ups (when I say "our" I mean his) nearly always happen at the start of a school holiday. The 6 week holiday starts next week and although hubby hates his job (and I mean REALLY hates it) I believe (though he probably wouldn't admit this) that he also hates being at home every day with the kids and being ignored and, like you said *Anothermonkey", OUT OF CONTROL. In his classroom, 99% of the time, he's in control. At home with a couple of preschoolers he has zero control of them. He thinks the only way to gain control is by shouting and smacking (if the shouting fails). The more I read, and the more I see positive results from not shouting, the more I know he's wrong.

But will he ever believe that shouting is wrong now? Will he even try? Honestly, sometimes, just like you said Jigglebum I feel like our marriage is on the thinnest of ice, and that I could be a better parent by myself. But with DC3 on the way, really, how likely is that?

And I feel mortified at even thinking it, because some of the time (a lot of the time) he's a great husband and father. But once or twice a year, he'll really flip his lid and I, oh God, I hate myself for saying this, but I fear for mine and my boys safety. :( He's never hit me, and if he ever did it would be the last time, but his rage just occasionally is really very frightening.

I just hope and pray that today has got it all of his chest and that we can move forwards positively and have a good 6 week holiday at home with our boys.

I really need a hug. And a good friend who I could say all this to in person who wouldn't judge me or him, or tell a soul. I have nobody like that :( :( :(

AnotherMonkey · 11/07/2014 20:49

mandbaby I wish I could give you that hug. I don't have much time to type, so again just sending massive support vibes your way. The positive is that it sounds like you're doing brilliantly with your boys x

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Purplehonesty · 11/07/2014 21:28

Mandbaby you are doing brilliantly by staying calm and keeping your temper in check.
When your husband has calmed down ask him who's tempremant would he like the boys to have? His where he blows up, shouts and hits or yours where you stay calm, deal with it and move on. Ask him which way he thinks they will get on better in life with.
I'm sorry you had such a crap evening.

My nearly 5yo does some random things like taking a wall down and throwing it in our stream (apparently he couldn't find any big splashy stones elsewhere) but I tell him as long as he tells me the truth and doesn't do it again I won't be angry. If he lies about it that's when I get cross.
My main problem is getting frustrated when the kids don't do what they are told despite many many tellings. Also when we are in a hurry I get stressed when they faff about and won't put shoes on/mess about with coats etc. I guess I need to realign my expectations of a 5 and 2yo and take a deep breath.

Letsgoforawalk · 11/07/2014 21:29

Me too. What monkey said. pm me if you like, you never know, you might live in the next street to one of us! ( maybe not bertie, I think she's on the continent)
It sounds to me like he is as mad with himself as with anyone else. You, like everyone on this thread, have taken a look at what you are responsible for (ie: your children) and made the calculation that there is just too much at stake for you to get into an 'out of control' state. You also have the insight to know you need help and are getting it ( the books, MN, websites, etc)
He is under pressure everywhere and it seems has not got to that point of knowing his standard way won't work and seeking another. The not dealing well with anger just compounds this.

I'm so sorry you are having a shit evening, it is such a beautiful one too.
Advice may be offered in due course but what you need now is we understand why you are so upset and hope tomorrow is a better day
((((((((((()))))))))))
Wine or Brew
And Flowers for coping with the kids all day, and tonight too.

BertieBotts · 11/07/2014 21:41

Hand holding/hug/tea here, and no judgement. But I will say this, I have been there and it is not a place that I would go back to, in a million years, no matter how bad things got or what I was offered for going there.

I could say more but I don't want to, this is not Relationships, this is a parenting support thread. Please understand, I don't know you, I don't know him, but from one soul who's been there to another all I can offer is a hand to hold and a hope that you can find a way through, whether that is with or without him. Don't hate yourself! I think your instincts will see you right on this one. I can tell you're really committed to doing the best for your DC and that is so important.

If you at any point feel like you want to start a thread in Relationships I would be more than happy to be a supportive voice, I know the threads over there can get a bit heated and/or scary.

Brew
SearchingMySoul · 12/07/2014 05:39

Oh my God, you have no idea how happy it makes me to find all you guys still here!!! I have not been on MN for a very long time and I am not sure why - it's certainly not because I cracked parenting and everything is fixed :) Not by a long way. But I had a particularly bad couple of days last weekend and I was going around in my head trying to come up with a solution when it hit me that I needed all of you!! I actually tried to log on then but something wasn't working. But today it worked and here you all are, along with lots more lovely mummies trying to do what is best in the face of the rollercoaster of motherhood. Hello to everyone I don't know (but have read back a few pages to try to catch up) and big huge hugs to my original heroes: monkey, letsgo, Bertie, jiggle, Claires! I have missed you. I will write a proper post but it's late and I really just wanted to say hello, and will you have me back??? Thanks

SearchingMySoul · 12/07/2014 05:45

mandbaby particularly wanted to send you a hug as you seem to be having a tough time yet managing to do all the right things by your children. I can identify with a lot of the struggles you have been going through in terms of disconnects with DH on parenting and put communication between us so I know what it is like. Keep doing what you're doing.

mandbaby · 12/07/2014 08:12

Thanks, everyone, your words mean a lot. I had contemplated putting a post in relationships but tbh I'm scared what people will say. I think I can already guess :(

The rest of the evening went almost exactly as I said: He stayed in the study til about 8.30, went downstairs for his re-heated tea and watched tv. He came to bed just after 10, moments after I'd turned the lights out, got in bed and faced the other way. We often sleep holding hands, spooning, cuddling, or with his hand on me somewhere. Last night, he did have his hand on me once or twice but I don't know if it was just unknowingly while he was still asleep.

This morning, the boys burst in our room when their gro-clocks turned yellow but he just lay there "sleeping" so I've brought them downstairs. Again, this is the norm as hubby lies in on a Saturday and it's my turn on a Sunday. Often though he'd at least give them hugs and kisses before we left him alone to sleep, but not today :(

letsgo I will pm you, if that's ok. And some of you others too if you don't mind? I would hate to be feeling like this if there was someone living not too far away who could lend an ear and a shoulder.

purplehonesty re: expectations. I think that's been mine and hubby 's problem - we often have way too high expectations of our boys' ability, behaviour, awareness and agendas for a 3 and 4 year old. If a 13 year old boy had picked up a petrol can and tipped out its contents, especially being aware of the dangers of petrol, then I could have sort of understood hubby's reaction. But he's barely 3!

The other week when ds2 stole my mascara and I completely blew my lid at him, while it was happening I knew how irrational and completely out of context my reaction was, but felt powerless and too embarrassed to stop myself. Have you ever felt like that? It was like a "well, I've started so I might as well finish" rage. I imagine hubby's was similar. Deep down, (possibly), he knows how OTT he was but just couldn't stop. One of his worst traits (as well as his anger) is his complete lack of ability to say "sorry". In our 9 year history we've had some (not many) big arguments and he's never apologised for things he's said or done. It drives me nuts and IS something I've told him about, but it's never changed. Sometimes if our boys do something wrong and then say "sorry", he'll reply "no you're not" which I think is disgusting. What exactly is that going to teach them, other than to never bother apologising as it will never be accepted. But he just doesn't see it.

He honestly believes we have the naughtiest, most uncontrollable kids in the world. If we go out somewhere he only "sees" good, compliant children sitting still and being polite. He doesn't "see" that those kids probably have their own set of problems that drive their parents insane.

Hubby hasn't spoken to his own mum in twenty years and although he sees his dad, he often says how what a shit father he's always been and he has absolutely no respect and not much live for him. He really doesn't see that he's mirroring much of the ways he was brought up and parenting our boys in much the same way. What does he think will happen 20, 30 or 40 years from now if he carries on like this?

Honestly, I could talk all ds2y about my feelings on his matter but the one person I REALLY need to speak to about it just won't talk about it or won't see anyone else's point of view :( He would just think I was having a go at him rather than trying to help and bringing out the father in him that I know he can be. :( :(

Letsgoforawalk · 12/07/2014 09:43

mandbaby you are welcome! hope you have a good day
searching you are back! Smile

BertieBotts · 12/07/2014 10:33

Wow, my ex was exactly the same as all of your points, right down to despising his father and stepfather and then repeating exactly what they had done!

The only thing I can say about the mascara incident is that you felt terrible about it afterwards and knew that it was out of proportion, whereas what you've said about him is that he feels his actions are justified, in fact, on two separate occasions you've said that he thinks he should have reacted even harder and he was put out that you'd stopped him. So I think there is a difference even if he is losing control.

It's a really tough position to be in xx

SearchingmySoul welcome back :)

AnotherMonkey · 12/07/2014 10:52

Searching my heart just did a little flip when I saw you! I've tried to pm you but couldn't, don't know what I was doing wrong. So good to see you back, I've been wondering how you were getting on.

mandbaby, you're welcome to pm. I often wonder if any of us are close!

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