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My son treats me like shit because he doesn't like his sister

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JustFabulous · 13/08/2012 15:44

No way round this, is there? Sad.

{desperate}

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rainbowinthesky · 19/08/2012 15:43

How did the computer ban come about? Were they warned about it? Is it a fair punishment?

JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 15:45

I think they would enjoy a time table so I will make one up. They hav all disappeared to play together upstairs now.

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JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 15:46

They shouldn't have it every day anyway but DS1 has been messing things around on it so that is the consequence. He has deleted some of DD's stuff too.

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defineme · 19/08/2012 15:49

Firstly please don't worry about the neighbours-as long as it's not 7am or you're playing loud music, then your kids have as much right to be out there as all the other people. Mine can be out there all day.

You have shingles, you're not well, you're going to feel at the end of your tether-who would enjoy their kids when they've done non stop housework and are ill?

Nobody will take your kids away. You know it's not ideal-I have 2 close friends who didn't smack their kids ever and then both smacked their kids at the age of10-must be something about 2 yrolds and 10 yrolds pushing the boundaries. Apologise and go straight back to bored policeman.

Can you and your dh divide and conquer? Today dh took boys out on bikes and I taken dd to shops and park. Now dh is playing board game with ds2 and we have let other 2 go in cold bath because they're so hot.

I can't think of any family I know who would get through an entire day in the house wiothout ructions. If it's raning can't they get their wellies on-my lot love a go with the umbrellas.

You're having a shitty day and it's understandable you're not enjoying it-it's not something lacking in you, you're not well. Why can't dh take at least some of kids out for walk/trip to mils/anything?

rainbowinthesky · 19/08/2012 15:52

I have briefly skimmed read the thread and there is loads of fantastic advice on here. Sorry if I am wrong but you seem to be reactive rather than proactive. What's your 11 year old's behaviour like at school? I really think you need to start putting into action suggestions and take control rather than dealing with incidences as they happen.
Sorry but I think some of his behaviour is extreme for his age.
Can you go back to your gp and push for parenting lessons? Apologies if this has been mentioned.

JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 15:54

Am I being too hard on myself and giving up too soon?

DH has been working for the last 2 hours but appears to have stopped. He won't go to his parents and I definitely don't want o go and he has decreed it is too hot ot go out.

The kids are all in the garden playing happily. I am in here feeling crap and confused.

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JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 15:55

Yes, I probably am reactive as I didn't have a mother to teach me how to be a mother so I have struggled as many of you know. I am trying.

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JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 15:56

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rainbowinthesky · 19/08/2012 15:58

Parenting is hard virtually all the time. It's not Mary Poppins or the Sound of Music. It's day to day drudgery for the most part with a few nice bits thrown in.

defineme · 19/08/2012 16:11

It's lovely that the kids are playing happily. If they kick off agin I suggest getting the hose out-the waterslide we bought is our best garden ever.
Take a moment to appreciate them playing nicely.

You don't seem to be getting much support off dh. If I'm ill and kids are ikn garedn then I'd be off to bed with a book and ear plugs-seriously-you won't have the chance tomorrow.

The kids aren't thinking about any of the strife this morning, you need to move on too-it's not a ruined day-it's only 4pm!

JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 16:20

Just found paint all over dd's coat that didn't come out in the wash.

So many things ruined or spoilt in this house because they just don't care about stuff. I know that is my fault. I don't know how to change it. I have told DS1 I won't wash for him anymore but he still hasn't put his clean clothes away.

And the itching is driving me mad.

DH is fed up with them and me too probably.

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rainbowinthesky · 19/08/2012 16:32

After kids are in bed tonight could you sit down with your dh and agree together how you are going to move forward as a family? Maybe make a list of some of the suggestions from this thread that you feel you could manage and present them as your own ideas so he doesnt think you're barking mad. It sounds like you are both reaching breaking point and a change needs to happen but it won't happen unless it's planned and clear to all.

JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 16:52

Parenting is fire fighting!

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defineme · 19/08/2012 17:15

Ds2 ruined his shorts the other day with about 100 blackberries in the pockets, dd's nightie came out the wash with paint still on it from an after breakfast art session.
This is irritating, ds2 was punished for that too, but I don't think it's my fault and I don't think it's anything but normal kids behaviour.When I was 11 I would have just worn dirty stuff if washing hadn't been done...I've become a normal civilised adult and I wasn't doing that kind of stuff to wind my mum up-just I was a thoughtless pre- adolescent.

I think everyday crap is magnified in your head because , in the short term, you're ill, hot and you've not gone anywheree today. In the long term, I'd hazard a guess that you blame yourself for evberything (and I think you sound very angry about stuff to) because you're mother destroyed your self esteem/left you in a permanent state of anxiety/fear/self doubt-in a permanent state of stress it's normal to act with fear/anger/doubt.

I think if you talked this stuff thriough with someone you'd feel a lot stronger and able to carry on with the fabulous bored policeman stuff you've been doing.

Feel free to ignore that analysis-you know yourself best.
You also really need a break-any friends you can grab a night with?

JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 18:09

I doubt every decision I make.

DS1 wouldn't tidy his room. So I did it. He now has nothing in his room but his bed, desk and clothes. He gave me some of the photos off the wall "because I don't want anything to do with you."

Is it really bad that we have had such a blip? I smacked him but I haven't shouted but so wish it was the other way around.

They were rude about what DH was making for their tea so he didn't make it and now they have had nothing. DD said - "You can't make me eat it." So he didn't. Funnily enough she is now hungry.

DS2 and DD have done a cracking job of tidying their rooms....

My itching is getting worse.

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defineme · 19/08/2012 18:34

I don't think a blip negates anything.
You still took them swimming on Friday, you still didn't shout for several days.

Try to just get on with this stuff without being wracked with self doubt, really think cbt books or counselling would help you with this. Cbt counselling doesn't focus on the past so much, it simple tries to get you to reverse your negative thinking.

I think you need to keep injecting the fun in -play with that cat, silly string, take them swimming-whatever the fighting/non tidying is -I think you need to do this to stop you feeling miserable as much as them.

JustFabulous · 19/08/2012 19:02

Sorry, defineme, I can't understand the first part of the last paragraph.

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defineme · 19/08/2012 22:30

I mean't that I think it's really important to keep the kids busy and try and have light hearted fun with them-even when you've had a crappy fight filled day with them. I thought it was wonderful the way you turned around your mood and theirs with some silly string yesterday.
I think your self doubt and worry, alongside the kids playing up, really grinds you down.
I'm off on holiday tomorrow. I find it faintly bizarre that i'll be thinking of you and hoping you're staying strong/being a bored policeman whilst I'm on the beach!
I think you're very strong and very capable. You've made 3 kids and you're trying very very hard to bring them up well. Believe in yourself, try and let that anger and doubt slide off your shoulders, and I really hope you feel better. Thanks

PrideOfChanur · 20/08/2012 08:56

Agree with you about injecting the fun,defineme.One thing I found when the DCs were being more trying than usual,is that it is very easy to slip into being cross all the time - or only interacting with them to tell them off,and it helps to try to find positive things to say/do.

As far as the room tidying goes,is that an obedience issue for you,or a rooms must be tidy issue? DD has always been a bit messy and since she became a teenager her room is basically a shambles.She does the "putting clean clothes away on the floor" thing,and tbh I've given up,the fighting to get her to do it isn't worth the bad feeling it generates.

Her keeping her clothes in piles around her room doen't actually affect anyone but her,and her room being messy doesn't either - it bugs me because I want her room to be as tidy as the rest of the house,but really it is behind a closed door,so why?
So sorry about the shingles,hope you feel better soon.

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 20/08/2012 10:23

Absolutely agree with Pride about the room tidying. It was hard to switch off to it, but it eliminates a whole raft of rows and stress. The only "bedroom rule" I stuck to rigidly was no food. I just went in occasionally to retrieve mouldy cups and glasses!
Very sorry about the shingles. It's very stress related so a break would do you the world of good. Can you get away for 24 hours? Or send DH and the kids away?
You could try Rhus Tox cream for the itching, from somewhere like Holland and Barrett.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 20/08/2012 11:38

SO impressed with how things have come on since the start of this thread.

Just one suggestion - perhaps you give them too many choices sometimes, put too much power in their hands? If they can't agree on what DVD to watch because they like arguing with each other, just don't ask - say "we're going to watch X!" in a cheerful way and put it on. If they don't like it at least they can all unite behind agreeing that you are a terrible despot :)

And don't ask them what they want from you as a parent - how can they possibly know or answer that? They are only kids. It might be scary for them. Much more reassuring to think your parent knows what s/he is doing, even if you shout and scream disagree. That's probably why the bored policeman (love that) approach works, because you're showing you're confident enough in yourself/your family bond with them to stop fussing over every little quarrel that happens.

It's really noticeable that the kids, especially your eldest boy, goes straight to "you don't love me" or "I don't want anything to do with you" - I'd suggest that's because they can clearly see that that's what REALLY gets to you. They don't really think that, honestly. It's just that they've pressed all the buttons on the control deck and that's the one that makes mum react in the most interesting or helpful (gving up on punishments etc) way, from their perspective. Do just try and relax about this. They don't mean it.

And meanwhile, lots of hugs for everyone and tell them they're good/lovely/helpful/clever/sweet when they are being. On this thread you're listing all the ways you "fail" each day - why not keep a list here or privately of the nice things that have happened? A silly game that you played or one of the kids passing something to another or a good chat that happened.

Divinyl · 20/08/2012 12:02

OK, prepare for a rather long one...hope you are feeling a bit better, first of all. And in terms of the blip: if one of your kids was ill and cranky and being driven mad by itching all the time, you would hardly expect them to be firing on all cylinders and reacting with sweetness and light, would you? So be kind to yourself and don't overplay what happens while you are trying to recover.

I was thinking that zoning in on good behaviour might help things along. Explain that you want them to notice when you know they have behaved well. An amazing person I know, with 3 DCs, aged 9, 6 and 2, described the 'thumbs up' system to me and said it worked very well. Whenever you or DH catch one of the DCs doing something kind to the others and to you, and/or do things well that you have asked them to do, you can give them a thumbs up. This could even be a printed thumbprint in paint on a small square of paper - could your 2 younger ones make you a load of these? 30 per DC probably. You put them in a jar (high on a shelf, or in your room...) with their initials written on the paper square when awarded.

Now, I as an only child would have simply thought that getting the most thumbs ups was the name of the game, but apparently the element of chance is quite important. At the end of a month, mix them all up well and put them in a bag, and you pick out a winning thumbs up. The more you have in there, of course, the more likely it is to win. That DC receives a reward, could be something little like a magazine but personally I think things that would be more motivating are: they get to choose what you all have for dinner/ for pudding one day; they get to hire a film of their choice and have a film night with popcorn etc; they go to a bouncy castle; they get a £5 argos gift card or something they can make choices with; they have a mini cereal selection with weird & wonderful cereals for a week. Then you can make the new thumbs up papers again (got to be good for 30 mins, right?)

2nd thought: Back this up in the day with phrases like: "You did exactly what I asked you to with no fuss, that's great. Thank you." A friend of ours had asked her pre-schooler to go and stand near the ticket gates at a station while she took a big case through the other one, but then was talking to us for a little bit longer, and as it was busy, asked her DD to come back to her. She said that to her, following up with: "...even though I changed my mind and wasn't ready to come straight away." I thought that was effective as her instructions were potentially contradictory.

3rd thought: in 1:1 time with the DCs when you are putting them to bed, maybe say something like: "I really enjoyed playing with the silly string today with you. I didn't enjoy having to tell you off about X because I felt as if you were not listening to me/ being a bit rude, but on the whole I enjoyed what we did". Be sincere about it - only use when there ARE positives to balance up the negative, that you then refer to but play down a little rather than dredge it up again.

There was something else but have forgotten it for the moment!

Divinyl · 20/08/2012 12:21

Ah yes. Similar to what Elephants said above. When you can, have a really honest think about what especially pushes your buttons. When something comes to mind, find your inner 3-year-old and ask: "Why?" Then ask "Why?" again to that answer, and so on. You will drill down to some surprising and probably very hurtful things. They may well not be to do with your DCs but with you as a child yourself and how you felt then. This sounds very La La land, sorry, but it's a v simple thing to do. The problem is that no matter how much you want to consign it to the past and 'deal with it' as an adult, it's the child that got hurt in the first place and it was in a different time when you didn't have power over how you arranged your thoughts and your reactions, and how others treated you. You can indeed feel damn angry about that but you can also choose not to let those people have such power over you any more by adding rational reactions in at the point when you have felt the feeling that you found out, and literally say to yourself: I'm choosing my own way as a parent, I have my chance now, and I'm doing the best I can for my DCs and me. I am not perfect. I don't know everything, but nor do I know nothing.

JustFabulous · 20/08/2012 13:14

Thank you all for your messages. TBH I have read them all but they are going out the other ear as my head is like cotton wool. I will keep reading though.

Kids were a nightmare while out and have been hitting but I ignored as much as I could.

All had lunch and now just having a sit down. I am still itching like mad, my arm is really hurting and there is a lump there and I think I have broken my toe or at least the nail.

Still very tired but will carry on.

The bedroom issue was because of him being so rude while disobeying me. The clothes thing bugs me as he moans that he has no X to wear. I wash every day. They always have clean clothes, he just can't be bothered to put them in the right drawer and then can't find them when he needs to get dressed.

I am so tiiiiirrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeddddddddddddddddddddddddd.

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JustFabulous · 20/08/2012 13:26

Just a quickie (as I have set the kids up with art things and I want to join in)
I would have chosen the DVD then one woudn't have wanted to watch that one and I would have wanted to please all 3 and it would have gone all wrong.

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