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support thread for women who have chosen to terminate

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busierbee · 16/04/2009 22:53

Hello
Busier Bee here - I felt that before I went to bed I wanted to open up officially a new place for weary travellers of those on the road that we have chosen to rest our heads, muse, sob, moan and support each other.
Also the kind, compassionate souls who have not been there but who offer their support and lend an ear and pass a gentle word.
We have chosen to be here and we are here and we are not alone.
Thank you so much all of you -for I personally do not know where I would have been in the last few weeks without you all.
Night - sleep well
kisses and thoughts
BB xx

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linspins · 19/04/2009 09:07

Hello Ilovemydog, stay!! Share your parcel and bear stories with us! xxx
Morning everyone else (not going to name you all in case anyone gets left out..

bezzyk · 19/04/2009 09:16

Morning all!

It's going to be a good day...isn't it?

DH and I are going to go to the gym for brekkie and then have a swim with babes. (who actually goes to a gym to exercise?!)

Positive thinking for all today - ok!

B xx

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linspins · 19/04/2009 20:00

Hi all, I ditto what Justa said above - and this echoes a nice little comment on the letters page of the Guardian magazine yesterday about "the value and healing power of sharing trauma with others".
I think in the past I (rather naively?) just told people about my first baby Amy, assuming they would only be kind to me because of the awfulness of it all. And never got any reactions other that sympathy for my sadness. And this time when I came on, and my thread followed my life through another termination, I was so comforted by messages to me. So it was a rude awakening to find that maybe I shouldn't have been so open, and that there were others who disliked threads/posts on this subject.
But now I think actually I am glad to have had the support and glad that maybe someone, somewhere might find it helpful too, and find us here to support them.

Now, really gotta iron some clothes for tomorrow, locate my work bag, and try to remember what job I do! Back out into Real Life tomorrow, it's going to be exhausting but will be so busy at least it will give my brain a break from the endless thinking about what has happened.

Busier, hope you get more rest this week before throwing yourself back in to the fray too.

Hope everyone had a good day - (that's such a bland comment but you know what I mean... - a better day than the one before, and the one before..)

Love Lins xx

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bezzyk · 19/04/2009 20:08

good luck at work tomorrow Lins, you'll be fine. I remember when i went back to work after I had a miscarriage 3 years ago, I just asked nobody to be nice to me, that way I wasn't inclined to burst into tears!

Works a fabulous therapy, gives you something else to focus on.

B x

busierbee · 19/04/2009 21:26

Hello everyone
Itotallyloveyouryourdogsmrobama - so sorry dearest did not acknowledge you!! What was i thinking! Is because i was carefully trying to reply to everyone who had written on Saturday and i don't think you did!Forgive me and stay stay stay. Is such a comfort that you have followed the tales, not be scared off or turned off and have reached out in spite of not sharing exact experience. I think of you and your wee sister and how much she must have brought to your life.
New gals - Lindso and Bezzy - so glad you are here too and to echo Lins sentiments if sharing our story has enabled other women carrying heavy tales on their hearts to come here, share and be comforted then it feels that some tiny thread of positivity has come from a sorrowful time.
Mrs Justabout - loved the story of your muslim friend - what a hoot for him. Hope he had a sense of humour - sense he would have if friend of yours. Are you reading Marj? If so ... gentle hello to you and to let you know that Dani is going to geneticist this week and has promised to share info. Phew
Lins- Best of best of luck with work tomorrow and hoping that people are gentle. Is funny about not wanting people to be nice to you isn't it - it is exactly what I said to the consultant - DO NOT BE NICE TO ME. so hard to feel other's pity sometimes, whereas online I can lap it up.
Tree - if you are around - hope the duvet day helped you rebalance yourself sweetie and that the colicky one is well .. less colicky. A friend of mine recently had a colicky one, day and night, she was worn down to tears regularly, he now a cheery chap!
Oh God - I justknow have missed someone out. HELP.

BB xx
So goodnight gentle folk and thank you - I am so pleased you are still there.

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marj1 · 19/04/2009 22:23

Lovely Ladies,

Sorry haven't posted for a while, I've been reading and keeping up with how you all are and what's been going on but haven't really felt up to posting. Not really quite sure what's going on with me at the moment. Feel very numb, hardly any tears a bit emotionless I suppose.

Like Lins I'm back at work tomorrow, just want people to treat me as normal and not mention anything about what's happened, don't want any sympathy, don't feel I deserve it. Don't want anyone being nice, don't think I can take that. Feeling very very tired, sleeping 12 hours a day and still very tired after only being up a couple of hours so not sure how I'll fare at work, we'll see.

Good luck tomorrow Lins, I'll be thinking of.

Busier, would be keen to know how Dani gets on - thanks for thinking of me.

Much love to all Marj1xxx

busierbee · 19/04/2009 23:02

Marj - never worry about not posting - think you need gentle space and are in shock still and that why you so tired. I know that feeling well as have had my own periods of heavy blackness and anxiety. If reading is of comfort then read away - I felt like that on ARC for ages - could not write. You know.
Are you working full time? YOu may have to go on auto pilot maybe? And if you need to leave early for a few weeks I think that is better than ending up on long term sick and am sure they will understand?
Tis odd how the comfort here is bearable and the comfort from friends is not. I feel so like that. Do not want hugging or that sad face people make or pity or the 'thank god it wasn't me ' look. But from you all it is gentle and genuine and heartfelt and experienced.
Well done for getting out of dressing gown at all.
Good luck - let us know how you get on. I will be mum in charge of thread while you and Lins go off and earn the bacon this week. All will be fine.
Night
BB xxxxxx

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bezzyk · 20/04/2009 08:35

Hello lovely ladies

Just to say that I'm thinking of you Marj and Lins on your first day back at work. I'm hoping that you'll find it less traumatic than imagined.

As for me, feeling good this morning. I'm hoping to preoccupy myself with trying to eat healthily. When I found out I was pregnant in January, it was a bit of a surprise. We'd been hoping to have a baby this year, but it happened a heck of a lot quicker than planned. Anyway, reason I'm saying this, was because I'd hoped to lose a bit of weight before next baby (not much, just a couple of KGs, been piling it on since after I had DD) so, I never had chance to lose that weight. Anyway, now is my opportunity, and now the weather is a bit more cheerful, it's easier to be tempted by things like salads (or so I'm trying to fool myself anyway!)

As for my pregnant friends, I'm honestly happy for them, but really don't feel that I can talk to them at the moment. So I'm going to strategically screen my calls. As I find myself feeling semi cheerful, then feeling down once I've spoken to them. Is that a bad (miserable) thing to do?

Anyway, housework beckons. Want to clear up the weekends devastation early, so that we can get outside and enjoy the lovely weather.

Hugs to all
B x

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bezzyk · 20/04/2009 09:03

Hi Justa, to be honest, I'm just being a diva. I'm complaining about my friends calling, but if they didn't I'd accuse them of ignoring me. (which would be easy enough to do, esp if they didn't know what to say to me)

Funnily enough, as I was typing my last message, one of my friends called! I let it ring for ages, then answered at the last minute. I, however, didn't stop talking, thus not giving her an opportunity to talk about prams or car seats!

Good luck with the weight loss thing, I think it'll be good for me, it does feel good when those jeans become a little less snug....

B x

treedelivery · 20/04/2009 15:26

Hello All!!
Haven't been on mn for ages [about 3 days ] - I am sooooooo delighted with how this thread has prospered.

Yay to strong women supporting each other with hand holding and virtual cuppas and more when needed.

I echo everything Justa has said, waaaay back on Saturday or sometime. We are doing good work here women, we are survivours [sp?]. I haven't survived what some of you have, but I have seen others live through it at work. So I'm always here for a chat, hand hold or a goss - except when rl explodes arounds me!

So, I hope the 1st day back at work was ok - I'll be checking in. I can't read the thread properly as I haven't he time it needs, but big waves to all.

Will check in tonight or sooner to see how you all are. x

busierbee · 20/04/2009 17:04

Welcome home working mums! We are here to fetch your slippers, bring tea and cake and massage the furrowed brow. In a virtual way.
Have managed today to have two conversations with real people about my termination. First time. The sunshine helped me - but could not have done it if I had not had all the strenthening conversations i have had here - and I talked about you all with the women I talked with today so you have been brought to life in someway.
Have also done some re-entering scary world of work emailing and some sort out the house calling and some children's education letter writing.
I am getting stronger - and at the same time I feel that the last few precious and painful weeks have been very important to me and do not want to say goodbye which is why I need to stay here as I know you will catch me when I inevitably stumble along the way.
As I will try to do for you.
Comforting others does seem to help one's own suffering - is this a recognised phenomena Justabout? Tree? Ladies - I feel it must be as we all seem to be doing it and thank goodness.
Speak later
xxxxxBB

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treedelivery · 20/04/2009 17:13

Busier!!

You are indeed a busier bee today. I wonder wonder wonder how linspins has got on at work. Well done on getting into the real life stuff.
But totally understand not wanting to let go of this bit of your life. Which you never will. I'll be knocking about on mn for years I reckon - we'll always have a nod and a wink for each other. Even when we are arguing on a thread somewhere about something totaly random!

Who did you talk to? Family or closest friends or regular friends [iyswim]? How amazing the sunshine has helped today - wow bb, it's not long you couldn't face the sun. You are a brave brave soul.

I think you are 100% about helping others to help ones self. I think it is the motivating factor in most acts of charity and care giving. In fact I think I just emailed you something similar!

linspins · 20/04/2009 18:13

(In a cheesy American accent..) Hi honey, I'm home!

Blimey, it was busy at work today. But lots to keep my brain occupied and give it a rest from the 'other stuff'.
Am very pleased to be checking my message though, and see some of you've had productive days.

Marj, just read and don't post if you don't have the energy etc. I spent about 2 weeks in a emotional vacuum after having Daisy, like being in a bubble, and I didn't feel what I thought I would feel. So if you're feeling numb, you're not alone.

Gotta go and do bath/bedtime for DD, catch you all later. xxx

marj1 · 20/04/2009 18:21

Just heard Joseph's cremation is taking place this Thursday 23 April at 0945. I'm all over the place. Don't know what I'm supposed to do. Buy flowers, write a poem, just don't know what to do....

treedelivery · 20/04/2009 18:41

Oh marj1,

There will be lots of suggestions from the others about ideas to mark the event. You don't have to think of anything right now, but you will have ideas of your own in time. And if not you can use some of the ideas that will come in for you.

Hope you are ok - is anyone there with you?

Welcome home linspins. Glad 1st day back ok.

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treedelivery · 20/04/2009 20:29

Hope you're ok this evening Marj.

linspins · 20/04/2009 20:29

Hi Marj,
I'm not surprised you don't know what to do. It must have been a shock to get the news, and brings all the realities in to stark relief. Of course, you probably can do nothing, if that is what you want. If your hospital is like mine, they will arrange it all for you, so you could just turn up. Who phoned you, was it a chaplain? Or the registrar's office? Di they say get back in touch when you are ready?
Having said you could do nothing, you may find it therapeutic to do something. If you want to look at nice poems, there are some on the ARC parents forums, under files. The office can also send you a booklet of poems put together by another mother.
Something I thought of was to read out/get read out your favourite children's story. Kind of like tucking them in and saying goodnight..
I didn't do this in the end as I knew it would actually be TOO emotional, and I would sob so much, and probably not hear it.
If you want to choose music, you can go to itunes and search for stuff by theme eg. music for funerals, and suggestions will come up. I haven't actually done this but a friend did. Also there is a site you can look on to find music that your crematorium will have www.wesleymusic.co.uk and follow the links. This is a library of music that crematoria have, so if you want something, you can search the library to see if they have got it. A little note here - I was told that my crematorium couldn't play anything not on its original CD. This was massively upsetting as I had bought/downloaded "Baby Mine" from itunes, and so obviously didn't have the original. But they did have it already on their Wesley system, which was ok - once I found out.
Flowers...I found it comforting to be able to take a little arrangement with me, maybe you could get a tiny posy of white, or an arrangement to go on top of the casket. Forget-me-nots are in season for a touch of blue? The difficult bit is going to the florist to ask for it. But they must be used to people crying, and once you manage to say what you need and why, the conversation does get easier. Hint: pay for it when you order, while you've done the worst part, then you can run in and collect without hardly speaking!
For both Amy and Daisy I wrote them letters. Too personal (and tear stained) to read out in the service, but I asked for them to be put in the casket to go 'with them'.
We also bought a tiny toy each time -first Max from 'Where the Wild Things Are', (my favourite story when I was little) and this time a soft velvety rabbit. We only had one Max, which went with Amy, but this time I bought two rabbits, one for Daisy and one the same for me to keep. Also I didn't copy Amy's letter, but I did keep a photocopy this time of Daisy's. I just wanted more tangible things that were/are theirs. My DH wrote letters too, but I didn't read them.
Other things our chaplain asked us which were helpful: do you or your dh want to carry the casket in? (we didn't, dh found it all too much) And do you want the curtains drawn around the casket at the end? (we didn't as I find that bit the worst bit. We listened to our song, and then walked out quietly afterwards.)
We then took our flowers to the special baby rememberance garden - does your crematorium garden have one?
I have heard of other people letting balloons go, or lighting special candles.
I hope some of this helps a little and hasn't been more than awful to read. I am thinking of you. Big Hugs. xxxxx
Lins xxxxx

linspins · 20/04/2009 20:48

Marj, another quick thought, just read that someone has named a star for their little one. And now, thinking about it I remember that an ARC mummy who is now a friend also did this for her little Zac, back in 2005. (Hey Zac, thinking of you. xx)
If you feel up to posting, let us know how you are.

Hello Bezzy, Tree, Ilove, Justa, and Bee. And anyone else out there! (Humphey?) xx

Ok, it's a school night, so if anyone sees me on here after 9.30pm, please put on your sternest voice and say "bedtime!"

Lins xx

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marj1 · 20/04/2009 21:00

Thanks again for calming me down, I feel much better after having read your responses.

Lins - Haven't spoken to anyone yet. The Bereavement Midwife at hospital called this morning but I was at work so I had an email when I came in. She's going to get the Chaplin to give me a call so hopefully I can ask about music, garden of rememberance etc. I like the idea of 2 teddies, I was thinking of that before I read your response. I've asked if it is possible to put one teddy in Joseph's coffin.

Just - We are having a CofE funeral as I've got a strong belief, although don't think I'm strong enough to pick out something to read so will leave that up to the Chaplin.

Ladies - thanks again for being there when I needed holding up. It's so strange I don't want to talk to anyone about how I feel apart from you guys. Love xxx

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