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I spend every day angry or crying. I've got PND and I don't know what to do

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awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 15:29

I can't go to the doctor. I CAN'T.

I won't take tablets. I WON'T.

I shout at everyone. I can't cope. I can't sleep at night. I don't know if it's depression or if I'm going mad.

I'm a regular. I've changed my name.

I just want to kill myself. I'm supposed to be happy.

I think I can cope for a day or two and then something goes wrong like I lose something and it makes me so angry. It makes me so angry that I can't stop shaking. I shout at my husband and my baby. Then I get so upset that I slap myself in the face because I hate being alive and being such an awful person. Then I feel nothing. Then I just want to sleep. Maybe a day later I feel like I'll just magically fix everything only it always goes wrong and I get angry again.

My family would be better off without me. I know they would.

Please, please, please don't tell me to go to the doctor. I don't want anyone to know what a failure I am.

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threeinmybed · 27/09/2011 21:32

My goodness mini, I bet she'd be feeling a million times better by the end of next week! She'll be feeling positively supersonic compared to now by Christmas, won't she? X

threeinmybed · 27/09/2011 21:32

Well said Valium

Iggi999 · 27/09/2011 21:33

Agree with everyone saying make seeing the gp the one achievable goal for tomorrow. You MIGHT wake up feeling 'oh I can handle things now' but that is a mirage, the one way of handling things is to seek some help. And it might not be ads, though take them if you need them, it might be a talking therapy or some more practical support. You've taken a big step, you owe it to yourself, dh and lo to take it a bit further.

awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 21:34

I'm one step forward two steps back now though after speaking to that bloody doctor. She was breezy! Honestly, I'm fuming that she thinks it's ok to talk to someone who's telling them they've got PND. She even said to me oh riiiight and have you been told that you've got PND or have you just decided that?

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misdee · 27/09/2011 21:34

dont pretend to the doc. now when i go in, the first things i say is 'hello, look i may cry in a minute'

docs have tissues on their desks for blubbering people.

threeinmybed · 27/09/2011 21:35

If you don't want to talk to her DON'T. She sounds rather unsympathetic to me.

valiumredhead · 27/09/2011 21:36

She was probably trying to decide the best course of action OP, docs in general don't like to be told the diagnosis before they've had a chance to see you in person. Grin

threeinmybed · 27/09/2011 21:36

Ask to speak to someone else, that's ok. I used to find the practice nurses were very kind

valiumredhead · 27/09/2011 21:37

With the greatest of respect PND can make you think no one understands and no one will help etc - bear that in mind.

threeinmybed · 27/09/2011 21:38

I know Valium but in fairness, the doc could've chosen her words a bit better! What a silly thing to say?! It took the OP so much to call Sad

awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 21:39

All I can do is hope that my husband calls them for me tomorrow but I know he won't.

Ha, me a lovely lady! Thank you. I can only say one thing and that is that I really, really try to be and I really, really want to be even though I act like a terrible twat most of the time.

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misdee · 27/09/2011 21:40

i always act like a terrible twat. its part of the craaaziness ;)

valiumredhead · 27/09/2011 21:40

Why not just ask him to OP? Why won't he?

misdee · 27/09/2011 21:41

ask him to call for you.

please?

TattyDevine · 27/09/2011 21:42

I am currently eating chocolate in support of the OP Grin

Can I tell you my story? I am currently on 50mg Sertraline and have been for about 2 months or just over. My situation arose differently, though is also related to babies, sort of.

I didn't have Post Natal Depression after either of my babies, in that I think it has to occur (though needn't be diagnosed) within 6 months of the baby being born for it to be officially classed as that though I might be wrong. Anyway.

I had no depression after my first child, a son, I really enjoyed being a new mum and everything was great. I went to college when he was one, just one night a week, and got to go out and be "me" once a week, as I didn't return to work. Then I had my daugther when he was 2 years old, and that was fine too, another easy baby, good sleeper etc. No depression - sometimes felt a bit exhausted and frazzled with 2 very young children but nothing bad.

But then at the start of the year when my daughter was one and my son 3, I got pneumonia. It went on and on and on. 6 courses of antibiotics to clear the infection (and that was just the fevers and chills and urgent coughing) and I had pleurisey as well as a complication of that (where it hurt to cough). Once they infection was officially gone I still coughed and wheezed for months, until August really. So basically the whole year has been shit. During the worst of it (all they way till April or May really) I would cough the minute I lay down until about 4am when I could finally drop off to sleep as it sort of goes dormant eventually (this was with cough suppressants and codeine and everything) and then I'd catch 3 hours of fitfil sleep until it was time to get up for the preschool run. On non preschool days I'd just lie there with kids crawling over me until I could drag myself up and give them breakfast. One day, my son had chocolate spread on toast for breakfast and again for lunch, and if DH hadn't come home when I collapsed with fever in the late afternoon he probably would have had it for dinner as well! I just couldn't cope. DH took a little time off but I was sick for months, there's only so much time he could take off. We have no family nearby.

Anyway this did change my mental state and possibly my brain chemicals and I gradually sunk into mild depression. I'm not really a "crying" type person to be honest so it sort of manifested itself as a stressy response - irritated snappy snipey attitude. I had my mirena coil removed because I thought that had caused me to become hormonal and premenstural (but all month long). Some days my son only had to open his mouth and I'd look at him like this Hmm and go "what?!" and then scowl, before I realised I was being horrible and mean for no reason and taking my mood out on him etc. I realised that I was like this more and more often and that as I wasn't somehow able to snap out of it, and nothing could control it, it would start to effect my relationship with him and that I needed help, though even at that point I didn't seek help, though I meant to, I couldn't bring myself to admit it enough to make that appointment. I was never in a good mood, either. Okay so I might not cry but I was driving along in June and it was a perfect summer's day and I'd just dropped the children off (it was my child-free day I have once a week) so I should have been full of the joys of spring yet I was driving along scowling with this big black cloud of pissed offness about me but for absolutely no reason whatsoever! That's not normal! Its not right.

It all came to a head when I developed stomach pain. Really bad, debilitating stomach pain. I thought I had an ulcer or something, or maybe appendicitis, nothing made it feel better. So I went to the doctor about that, burst into the room in a tizz because I'd got caught in traffic on the way and thought I'd missed my appointment and I had both my children with me and the baby had been trying to escape out the door but I couldn't put her in the pushchair because I didn't have time because I was late...and just dropped down in the chair next to him and burst into tears. He handed me a tissue and said "what can I do for you". I told him about the stomach pain. He examined me and said "I'm going to treat you for indigestion". I said "WTF?" because I never get indigestion, FFS! Even when I was pregnant with a 9 and a half pound baby I didn't get so much as a trifle of heartburn even after sucking a lemon! He said he believed I was "stressed". I said, oh yes, I am duh. Can that really cause indigestion? Anyway he gave me some PPI's (protein pump inhibitors, stops your tum producing acid) and told me to come back in a week. So I did. The tablets cured my acid-ravaged digestive tract but he said he wanted to get to the cause of my stress and he screened me for depression and I came out as moderately depressed (which is still fairly depressed) and I said, well, I never really cry much, only tears of frustration when something goes wrong but I'm not "sad", I'm just fucking pissed off all the time. But that is also depression, or can be! For me it was!

50mg Sertraline, a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, which increases the "happy" hormones in your brain. I felt like a new woman within about a day and a half - in fact I got a mild feeling of peace and elation within about 3 hours of taking it which increased from thereon. It might have been placebo, I don't know, because it is a big relief to get the help you need. But 2 months down the line I feel like a new woman!

My depression (and I don't even think of it as that, I prefer to think of it as "stress") is partly situational - husband does long hours, no family nearby, felt very alone and overwhelmed by my illness at the start of the year (it really drove home to me that there are no "sick days" or "days off" for parents) and it will change on its own. I could go back to work if I wanted. I could just get a full time nanny if I wanted - but I dont' want to. But I did increase my daughter's day care to 2 days a week recently as she is nearly 2 and that's made a huge difference to my balance. So there are things you can eventually do, or that will eventually happen that are situational that will help you lift out of the depression that can arise from having too much that overwhelms you or whatever - but in the meantime, and until you discover what that is, or at least analyse when it will come around and reassure yourself about that, the drugs will rebalance your brain and make things better. They really will. The citrolapam or whatever it had before was not the drug for you. I've had no side effects like that, you need to find one that works as well for you as mine does for me.

My GP didn't tell anyone about my depression, he didn't even contact my health visitor (though he did offer, I politely declined). Nobody has dragged me or my children away.

Just go and get help, any way you can. You won't regret it once its all in place I'm sure.

Hope I haven't cross posted or anything, I've had this essay post on my screen a while and husband chit chatting to me and some knob knocked on my door trying to flog me something and all sorts since I started it! Grin

BettyBum · 27/09/2011 21:43

I'm a psychiatric nurse, I work for a crisis team.

I'm not surprised that GP spoke to you like that, unfortunately we encounter this a lot in our area.

It's a shame you can't get hold of your local crisis team number, they would happliy chat to you on the phone.

You may get referred for a medical review which I hope is what happens because that way the treatment may be more helpful.

awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 21:43

Yes I am quite liable to take offence at the minute but really even as untrustworthy as a review from a hormonal old cow bag like me, she honestly wasn't very nice. She didn't need to call me twice and hang up. I don't know how I managed to answer the third time

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awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 22:02

I can't tell my husband to call them. I just can't.

Wow tatty thank you so much for writing all that. Hope you're not feeling so physically unwell anymore. I think anger is more debilitating than unhappiness. Did you feel like you'd been sick and tired for so long that you kind of rebelled against it and started to get angry?

I only slept in two hour pockets for six months after my baby was born. Then all of a sudden, I started feeling this tremendous rage about how tired I was all the time. I can't shake it off. It's these bursts of aggression that are leading me round in circles. I feel furious, then guilty, then sad, then determined to be better, then angry again, guilty blah blah same old story.

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misdee · 27/09/2011 22:04

promise me you will call in the morning?

BettyBum · 27/09/2011 22:04

I can't seem to post.

threeinmybed · 27/09/2011 22:06

Great post tatty I too had that fast reaction to the AD's. Placebo? I don't know. But it was such a relief.

BettyBum · 27/09/2011 22:06

Oops that's better.

I said that sometimes GPs make me upset at work and I'm not even depressed. Makes me feel Sad for clients.

Do you have number for mental health team?

awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 22:09

Just to say again, I will reply to every one of my PM's. I'm on my phone at the minute though and it takes ages to load up each message. That's one thing I will definitely do tomorrow. Thanks to everyone who took the time to comment or message me. I was wrong about being two steps back. All your support has been really helpful. It's made me see that I am being really harsh on myself when I wouldn't be to any of you

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awfulmumshithead · 27/09/2011 22:12

No betty, I haven't got a number. I'm a bit worried about talking to anyone in case they try to take my baby away

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hobnobsaremyfavourite · 27/09/2011 22:13

Please OP don't waste any more time. My eldest is nearly 14 and I still regret the time I wasted and missed out on refusing to get help with my PND Sad