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to be annoyed at 'lactivists'

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twinterror · 01/07/2010 18:32

I have just seen on face book that 'lactivists' are planning on making stickers that say '100% mummy's milk' to put on bottles of expressed milk just so that the world knows that they are not formula feeding (horror of horrors!) how SMUG is this? And how judgemental of people that cannot breastfeed for whatever reason??!!!

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MiladyDeScorchio · 01/07/2010 20:16

That's exactly the same as Mummy-Juice though isn't it?

domesticdiva · 01/07/2010 20:17

Sounds like a good idea to me, having stickers on expressed milk. Saves explaining to the FIL / DH / any one who goes in our fridge which milk not to use

MiladyDeScorchio · 01/07/2010 20:18

(Well it's Mummy's Special Juice in this house)

scottishmummy · 01/07/2010 20:18

what is smug is the attempt to be explicit is ebm,and not that nasty chemical poison.the desire to differentiate self from formula feeding.implication being formula is shameful

honeydragon · 01/07/2010 20:19

domesticdiva - wouldn't stop my dh/fil they don't care what goes in their tea in the morning as long as they get their tea

LadyBiscuit · 01/07/2010 20:19

On a more serious note, two of my friends have had recently really, really struggled to breastfeed. And by god they feel like they've failed horribly badly because they have had to resort to formula to sustain their babies. That's so wrong.

What we need to encourage more breastfeeding is more support and a better explanation of the benefits (to the mother as well as to the child - I've never understood why the message about how much easier it is than formula if you can do it isn't more widely talked about). But what is absolutely counterproductive is to make women feel like they're failing as mothers because they can't do it, for whatever reason. And I think this is exactly what these stickers do

whoneedssleepanyway · 01/07/2010 20:20

now i've heard everything, who gives a cr@p? like anyone is actually going to be reading the stickers. and like it matters to nursery if it is EBM or formula in the bottle all they need to know is which child it belongs to.

sungirltan · 01/07/2010 20:21

yes but that is the choice of the sticker user and we can't argue with an infant feeding choice remember!

whoneedssleepanyway · 01/07/2010 20:22

LadyBiscuit I totally agree with you i think these stickers have a negative impact, I did BF both mine and am very pro BF but find stuff like this so unnecessary.

Butterpie · 01/07/2010 20:23

I wouldn't personally buy these stickers, but I do have a badge, a keyring and a baby t shirt from that website.

It is because there are so many baby t shirts and accesories with bottles on, we are constantly told of how to be discreet when feeding, people ask if I am feeding the baby...you know...myself. Chibi just claimed that nearly all parents ff - I just want to have a little nod to other bfers out there, to say "you are not alone", and to show other people that people do actually breastfeed. It is the NORMAL way to feed a baby. It is what breasts are for. Men only find big breasts attractive because it reminds them that you could give them offspring.

I had 2 sections, I ff DD1, I know that sometimes things don't go the normal way, but it doesn't change what the normal way is.

Wearing my engagement ring doesn't mean I am judging non engaged people- it is just a little symbol of part of my world. So is the little badge on my pram.

FWIW, I make an effort to always give other mums a little smile when I see them in public, whether they have twins in slings and breastfeeding or a toddler drinking juice from a bottle. Parenting is hard and people do what they can.

chibi · 01/07/2010 20:27

I completely agree

these stickers, which exist in a purely theoretical basis and which would only ever be used by a tiny tiny number of women do in fact threaten to make life hell for the overwhelming majority of women, who ff their babies, as it happens

quick are there any other potential threats we can get all wound up about

my child came home today from nursery today singing baa baa rainbow sheep

naturally I put a sticker over her mouth

bloody pc

harpsichordcarrier · 01/07/2010 20:30

yeah and they want us to take down the George Crosses because it's, er.....

chibi · 01/07/2010 20:32

Most women do ff

pretending that they make up some poor persecuted minority who stagger through parenthood unsupported and condemned is disingenuous

they are the majority as portrayed in popular culture and in actual real life, the expectation and the reality is that most will ff

the idea that there are groups of people roaming about looking fir ff women to glare at is bizarre

SloanyPony · 01/07/2010 20:32

Was Hitler's mum a breastfeeding Nazi do you think or did she just breastfeed a Nazi?

Do you think she got beard rash on half her nipple from the Hitler-mousache?

LouAnnVanHouten · 01/07/2010 20:33

"Why not advertise BM in a small way?"

Because it makes breastfeeders look like smug twats thus marginalising and undermining breastfeeding further. Breastfeeding should be normalised, not portrayed as some smug, specialist activity. Many new mothers find it hard enough to talk about breastfeeding and breastfeed even in front of their family, let alone in public and this adds another layer of prejudice to overcome.

Even though bf is a tiny minority, it is percived as being better than formula feeding by the majority. Because of the hostility surrounding feeding these stickers reek of boasting and british people don't like a boaster and don't want to be associated with them.

honeydragon · 01/07/2010 20:36

chibi I think I fucking love you

otchayaniye · 01/07/2010 20:37

Haven't seen the link (I'm an old fart who doesn't 'get' facebook) but it sounds a little silly, but facebook groups by their nature appear gauche, corny and often irritating.

Maybe it's just to label for nurseries, childminders or the workplace fridge. My colleague would have certainly appreciated a '100% Mummy's Milk' label on the small receptacle he used for his tea once... he did say at the time it was sweet.

But this has got me thinking. I think any formula feeders who see any action by a collection of breastfeeding mothers as denigrating their parenting are missing the point. In popular parlance, "they're just not that into you".

Think about it. When you've had a baby, and dealt with that shitstorm, and then you start out breastfeeding and hit the many roadblocks you are likely to hit, and for whatever reason, pass by them (support of HCPs, luck, family circumstances, supportive family and plain old bloody mindedness all help) you feel a sense of achievement, some pride, I guess. This isn't to necessarily mean you are totally proud, as I guess many first-time mothers however they parent are still anxious, and unsure, but succeeding at breastfeeding beyond the toughest infant weeks should give a little sense of achievement.

Now you may have had to bat away disapproval at deigning to do it in public (everyone wants you to breastfeed, just not next to them, or while their eating). You may have had to turn away invitations, if like me, you couldn't express diddly squat. You will have been sat on the sofa until you've watched all of The Wire back to back -- in one week.

If you were like me you will have had the extra challenge of an early 35 weeker who didn't want to feed. You'll have freaked out before every weigh in. You'll have cried every night. You'll have spent hours on kellymom/forums. You'll have spent 100s on breastfeeding counsellors. And after all that you'll still be paranoid that it wasn't enough and you're slender baby wasn't thriving. So you'll have upped the feeding even more.

I don't care that feeders or either stripe say its easier to breastfeed. In a very superficial sense it is. But you are tied (I can't think of a more neutral word) more or less to your child. That's kind of the point. You may have issues with sleeping and feeding to sleep which can wear you down. You may still feel hormonally as if you are pregnant (I do, 20 months on), you may feel a little less like jumping into bed (not everyone feels like this, but some do, and it may be hormonally driven)

I don't want a medal. I'm not trying to win a competition. I've really enjoyed (mostly) breastfeeding loved it, in fact but that's not to say it hasn't been incredibly fucking hard at times. Lonely and bloody boring and the skin on my chest was singing with irritation at having been fiddled with. And if she wakes up one more time an hour after bedtime, I'll scream.

Anyway. All of this fervid obsession, anxiety, upset at feeling you're imposing on the world if you breastfeed as and when, well, it can send people a little batty and clamorous. They want to club together with other nutbags and gas about it, talk about how they are going to 'change opinions', 'normalise the experience' and 'educate.'

That is very different from these groups actually saying formula feeders are crap parents. Yes, formula is a second-class substance, but many first-class mothers have to use it. Want to use it, even.

Sure, I've judged before, but always inside, and I try to remind myself that people's family circumstances, health circumstances and personal preferences are unknown to me, and I'm sure, given breastfeeders are human too, they are prone to all the manifold frailties of jealousy, overweening pride and bitchiness as all of us.

All this talk of 'dirty looks', 'nasty comments'. Well, that cuts both ways. Mothers out and about are physically drawn to look at other mums and what they do. I'm sure that dirty look isn't a dirty look, just one of bovine curiosity. Similarly, the judgey comment, it's more likely to just be idle, unguarded and slightly tactless chatter.

It's so easy to read something into the bollocks people say when you're raw and tender about something as important as babies. I know. I do it all the time myself. There was no one more paranoid than me as a first-time, sleep-deprived mum.

LadyBiscuit · 01/07/2010 20:37

Defensive stickers promoted by defensive women. If you really, really care about the small number of women who bf, then become a bf counsellor. Don't make other new mums feel shit.

Really beneath us all

5DollarShake · 01/07/2010 20:38

Maybe (maybe) they're not smug. Maybe they're just proud of themselves...?

We hear all these stories about how f/feeders struggled so much with breastfeeding and in the end gave up. Well, as often as not, it starts out as a big struggle for those of us who succeed as well. What's wrong with being proud of persevering (I totally acknowledge many can't) and succeeding?

It's not always one-upmanship, or smugness or judging those who don't succeed, it's just being proud of ones own self.

But God forbid b/feeders are proud of themselves for fear of offending the delicate sensitivities of f/feeders (who are by far the vast majority). The calls of 'smugness' do tend to make people sound like they have a chip on their shoulder.

Would I use one of these stickers? No, because they're twee and I'm comfortable with my own decisions and have no need to broadcast them to complete strangers. Am I proud of getting b/feeding established and feeding my DS for over a year? Yes, I am and if that automatically makes me smug, then so be it, I guess.

kittycat37 · 01/07/2010 20:38

What I really don't get about all this evangelical BF stuff is that it's so OTT (and I say that as someone who is currently BF a 3mth old).

I mean, FGS, I hardly look at friends of mine and think 'hmmmm, they look as though they were FF, you can tell from their slightly lower IQ' or 'wow, her fantastic immune system must mean she was EBF'. It's just so ridiculous in the grand scheme of things that so much is made out of it.

Who cares????????? One of my best friends BF her daughter until she was 2.5 but now feeds her mostly Macdonalds....

What next? Stickers for DC saying 'privately educated', 'learning the violin' or 'hopes to be a doctor'. Makes me ashamed to be middle class

harpsichordcarrier · 01/07/2010 20:40

chibi you are making me LARF tonight.
interesting that this is in fact "advertising" breastfeeding. The supermarkets shelves are full of packaged formula, there are magazine adverts and tv adverts all over the place.
compared to the promotion and visibility of formula.
this is so small and inconsequential in comparison

LadyBiscuit · 01/07/2010 20:41

And a question to those of you who think this is a good idea (given that we've established that childcarers always used labelled bottles for their charges) - what is the point of this exercise?

I don't understand

scottishmummy · 01/07/2010 20:43

this will be the same clique who define self by using sling,cloth nappies.and tsk that some parents are neglectful and dont do baby yoga,baby lead weaning,or velco parenting. as if such things matter- they dont

otchayaniye · 01/07/2010 20:44

I dunno, what's the point of having AVENT or Tommy Tippee written on your bottle?

(no that I think this isn't a stupid idea)

harpsichordcarrier · 01/07/2010 20:45

ladybiscuit:
yes I agree that bf should be "normalised" - so by showing that expressed milk is just that - mother's milk - i.e. promotion of bf, which might help to normalise it?

I think it is a bit of an exaggeration to say that these stickers make breastfeeders look like "smug twats"
really?
ALL breastfeeders??
because of a putative sticker on a facebook site populated by a tiny number of people?
seems a MASSIVE logical leap to me