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AIBU?

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to not like being told the truth by my DH

259 replies

onsabbatical · 29/06/2010 22:07

I bought a new dress at the weekend. I was shopping with my 13 year old DD and she said I looked beautiful in a rose print dress from Hobbs. I put it on to go to a World Cup BBQ at a friend's house on Sunday and asked DH if he liked it. I felt great in it.

He said that it put 10kg on me and that it was fine if I wanted to look fat. I am 8 stone but only 5ft 2 so can be swamped in unfitted shapes. AIBU to wish he had just said I looked great even if he secretly thought it was unflattering?

It's too late to take it back as I had cut out the labels already but I don't think I will ever have the heart to wear it even though both my DD's (the other is 16) say I looks lovely in it.

When I was in my thirties, I let DH buy all my clothes as I got sick of taking back ones that I bought for myself because he didn't like them. BTW he is very generous and buys me much more expensive outfits than I would buy myself but somehow I want to choose! AIBU or should I be grateful that I have such an honest DH with great taste?

OP posts:
overmydeadbody · 01/07/2010 08:19

proudnsad I'm with diddl, there is not one thing that my partner has ever done that could put him in a bad light or be considered selfish, rude or dangerous.

Kinda odd that you would think it normal.

Ineedmorechocolatenow · 01/07/2010 08:28

I agree with overmydeadbody and diddl - I'm struggling to think of anything DH has done that's been selfish, rude or dangerous.....

A bit thoughtless maybe. Sometimes he leaves his dirty underwear on the floor in the bathroom, or forgets to flush the loo....

Not the same really. Quite saddening that this is normal in your world proudnsad

sprogger · 01/07/2010 08:30

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onsabbatical · 01/07/2010 10:09

Hmmm..thank you to everyone for your insights.

I ought to balance what I said earlier: my DH never, ever shouts at me or insults me. We only ever have civilised discussions. If I am abused then it is in a very gentle and subtle way! Yes, DH is seemingly emotionally unaware - he hates hand holding or cuddling, doesn't buy me birthday/ anniversary cards because they are a waste of money (there is a logic there, sort of) and is even distant from his own family - but I put that down to boarding school from an early age.

BUT DH has never stopped me from doing exactly what I want in terms of working/ not working/ making investments/ deciding on holidays/ choosing schools for the children/ pursuing hobbies/ buying houses/ employing help. And he has provided plentifully..there is nothing that we do not have that we want/ need simply because it costs too much. So it's pretty good, eh?

I suspect the problem lies more within myself - my parents had a marriage where my father was indeed incredibly difficult to live with and my mother spent her life apologising, tiptoeing around him and the evening inevitably in tears. I learned this submissive way to behave to men at an early age and have never flipped out of the habit, rather I have assumed it is how relationships are so, lo and behold, mine begins to go that way. I am just becoming aware of this and how it does not make a solid foundation for marriage to have one very dominant and one very subservient partner. DH had never made me a cup of tea in 15 years of marriage until last year I had an au pair who made me tea and I realised how fantastic that was and asked around my friends who nearly all said that they took it in turns with their husbands or some such arrangement. I started prompting DH to make the morning tea once in a while and HE JUST DID IT. I need to be clearer with him about what I expect. I am sure he is a perfectionist about the house because he has never contributed and does not realise how long washing/ cooking/ shopping/ cleaning/ gardening/ child chauffeuring all take and I HAVEN'T TOLD HIM. The exhaustion thing was no doubt my fault for soldiering on without once mentioning to DH how very tired I was trying to work full time and cope with all the child care arrangements, catering, washing, gardening etc I always assume that I could and should be doing more (um, at the moment I could be as I am on MN when really I should be taking the dog to the vet, watering the garden, preparing for the French exchange and doing my tax return).

SO maybe you get what you expect and I need to expect something different. I need to tell H that it is important to me to buy my own clothes.

Yes, the hospital thing does worry me (and it is in a long line of similar behaviour when I have needed physical help and not been given it) because DH really is NOT sympathetic to ill people and he does regularly tell me that if I ever get decrepit he will push me and my wheelchair into the Thames. Not sure how much of this is a joke....I had better stay fit and healthy! On the whole, though, I reckon many, many women would give their right arms to have my life!

PS Sadly, I would swap it all (not the DC obviously) for a man who was warm, interesting and caring. That doesn't make me much of a wife!

OP posts:
Ineedmorechocolatenow · 01/07/2010 10:16

onsabbatical - I think that you are right in some ways. Who was it who said you tend to pick men who are similar to your father?

Much of your post made sense, and it seems to be that you are taking steps to stop the subservient attitude to your DH.

The bit that concerns me is that you seem to take the blame for the collapse . Fair enough you do too much, and probably didn't listen to your body. However, you need to address the lack of care he shows to your physical well-being.

You need to tell him how you feel. Exactly as you have written it here.

Dropdeadfred · 01/07/2010 10:17

Sadly I think you are mistaken about most wowmen wanting your life...and you are far more of a wife than he is a husband

mslucy · 01/07/2010 10:38

can I ask you a very naughty question?
do you still have sex?

stubbornhubby · 01/07/2010 10:38

onsabbatical - all of your posts are simply explaining how everything is your fault.

could it be that he is at fault? possibly?

rollerbaby · 01/07/2010 11:32

I think you said it all in the first sentence of the last line.

Your defence of him and how your life is so fabulous, really is quite sad. You obviously aren't happy so why don't you get a bit angry about it. Yes it's important to communicate, and clearly you should have done a bit more than that. But having a cold, unemotional and frankly LAZY husband is hardly your fault! And blaming his childhood somehow means that as an adult he has no responsibility for his conduct which is a bit pathetic.

You sound like you'll probably have a chat with him, without making too much fuss. He will listen, make you a cup of tea every now and again and then revert back to type.

If you don't mind fair enough, but I'd be inclined to make him realise that things have to change and you are on strike from now on.

My OH is inclined to let me do stuff, and I do like looking after him. But its a 2 way street and I won't spend our marriage feeling unappreciated, so he pulls his weight more now and there is a bit more balance. I suspect you wouldn't even mind taking care of the domestic tasks if he was just a better and more attentive husband in general. You've got to tell him, otherwise you might wake up one day and realise you've been living in a marriage that neither of you really care that much about.

alle01 · 01/07/2010 11:35

listen people, this thread is going to far, the op started with a very silly question, got some answers, then portrait a scenario of abuse, got us all closing ranks, only to tell us wrong and how envious we should be of her.
doesn't sound weird? either we are dealing with someone who is looking to start controversy and tell us wrong for the sake of an argument, or a person in very deep denial of their terrible situation (in that case we shouldn't interfere) or quite simple a troll
this thread is over.

Songbird · 01/07/2010 11:37

'there is nothing that we do not have that we want/ need simply because it costs too much.'

... except a birthday card for his beloved wife, apparently.

What an incredibly sad thread this is. I know it's horses for courses, we're all individual and we all have different expectations, but . DH and I don't have a pot to piss in, but we have a true partnership, and dd is growing up and seeing that every day. You say yourself you?re probably a ?victim? of your own upbringing, so where does that leave your dds? Stuck in the 50s like you.

And I'm lost for words at the collapse thing, this is appalling.

And proudnsad, I cannot believe this ?Every singe woman I know has a partner that has done at least one outrageously selfish, unkind or dangerous act.? My DH is sometimes a bit insensitive (as am I) or a bit selfish (as am I), but I really would not put up with any more, and I find it (literally) unbelievable that every woman you know is married to a complete twat. I think you need to realise that men are equal to us, and such behaviour is not acceptable ?because they?re men?.

I'm surprised no-one's said 'passive-aggressive'. I'm no expert, but from what I've seen on MN, OP's husband is a classic case.

proudnsad · 01/07/2010 12:57

Errrr songbird, my point was that none of the women I know are married to twats but they have all done extremely twatty things that, taken in isolation, would be cause for the abuse brigade to shout from the treetops.

Crying 'abuse' so often with so litle facts to back it up dilutes truly abusive situations.

OP's last post is seriously strange/inflammatory so I agree it's type to scarper.

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 01/07/2010 13:03

I'm trying hard to think of the worst thing my husband has ever done.

In fact I'll tell you. This is the thing that hurt me the most, in the 12 years we've been together.

Soon after we were married - as in, within the first month - our sex life just died. And after a couple of weeks I raised it. We were just back from honeymoon. And he said, after much thought, "well, don't take this the wrong way, but I don't know, you're looking a bit...you don't dress sexily like you used to, and I think you've put on weight".

A YEAR of talking about this later (with many, many apologies from him, and compliments, and trying to explain) the two of us figured out what had happened; a strange combination of his unconcious hangups about marriage (he'd absorbed some of those cliches about women letting themselves go), my strange hangups abot marriage (I had, indeed, suddenly started dressing ten years older), the fact that it was the first time in our relationship he'd experienced a quelling of desire and looked outside himself to find a "reason" because he felt embarrassed and a latent medical issue of mine that neither of us knew about but which had changed my shape and affected my mood.

Once we realised what had really caused the comment, we were fine. I mean, we were mostly fine almost immediately, but there was a lingering aftertaste, so we bashed away at it for a year to try and regain our equilibrium.

Eight years later he's never made a comment anywhere approaching that. We find each other sexy and tell each other so regularly. The end.

There you go. That is the worst thing my husband has ever done.

doggiesayswoof · 01/07/2010 13:07

proudnsad, your low expectations of men are depressing me

I really don't agree that all men occasionally do "extremely twatty things" and it's all par for the course

I'm thinking about the worst thing my DH has ever done (it was during a row) and I don't think it would have MNers shouting "abuse"

Maybe I'm the only one

NicknameTaken · 01/07/2010 13:09

I don't think OP is telling us we should be jealous of her, I think she's doing her best to count her blessings and ignore the inner voice that tells her she's not happy even though she "should" be.

OP, your H wasn't there when you needed him most, and he has told you quite explicitly he never will be there. Is this "gilded cage" the best you can hope for in your life?

I really suggest you look into counselling for yourself to help you get a perspective on how you are repeating the patterns of your childhood and whether this is what you want. You might find that there are ways you can choose to live within this situation, you find find that there aren't. But I think you need more than a internet chatroom to help you make that decision.

Proudnsad, it strike me that you're very invested in normalizing bad male behaviour and low female expectations. A measure of tolerance is a good thing in a marriage, but long-term tolerance of harmful behaviour is not.

Songbird · 01/07/2010 13:11

Yes, but OP isn't just describing one thing in isolation any more. There's now a lengthy list of awful behaviour that may add up to abuse. FWIW I agree that some MNers do shout 'abuse' willy-nilly, and whether OP is describing abuse, I don't know. Neglect? Certainly! And the passive-aggressive thing too.

Songbird · 01/07/2010 13:13

OP, I'm interested in what kind of relationship your dds have with him. And also, do you have fun with him? Again, I know everyone's different, but DH and I (and DD!) have such fun together, I couldn't live without it.

Cretaceous · 01/07/2010 13:17

You know, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel a bit sorry for the OP's ridiculously controlling husband. It sounds like he was sent away to boarding school at a young age, felt totally rejected, and just doesn't know how to relate to people. He just can't take getting close, and he shows no emotion - not shouting isn't necessarily a good thing. He can't take cuddling or holding hands. He doesn't like birthday cards etc. What's he like with the children?

Does he ever talk about his school experience? He might be too old to change, or be afraid of releasing his feelings, so perhaps there is no hope. But really, it sounds like he needs help too (if only he knew it.

porcamiseria · 01/07/2010 13:21

"I really don't agree that all men occasionally do "extremely twatty things" and it's all par for the course"

god what about just being human? we are all of us at times angry, jealous, petty, mean, spiteful, cruel.

I dont know the ins and outs here. But all people do extremely twatty things! unless we are all angels.....

There is accepting a shit relationship, and there is being pragmatic about human nature.

OP can best judge where she falls

NicknameTaken · 01/07/2010 13:23

I get where you're coming from, Cretaceous, but such thinking can be a trap. I stayed with my ex for too long because I understood his childhood issues that made him angry and distrustful of women and I felt sorry for him and guilty for inflicting more hurt.

The sympathy is fine if OP's H is prepared to admit that he has some issues with intimacy and deal with them, but if he doesn't, pity will just keep OP trapped.

Songbird · 01/07/2010 13:24

Cretaceous, you have a good point there. But he is an adult now, and there?s no reason at all why he can?t choose to act differently! In fact, it?s quite the opposite, he?s stated that this is the way he is and that?s that, there?s no effort to change. And it?s not like he can?t afford therapy, as we all know!

Cretaceous · 01/07/2010 13:27

Yes, don't mistake my comments for saying OP should stay with him out of pity, or try to make him change when he won't!!! I just wonder whether she has said anything to him, and whether he would consider trying to change. The OP reads to me like she avoids anything like that, but I could be wrong.

proudnsad · 01/07/2010 13:35

Ok yes porc, all humans have extremely twatty moments.
I think I have realistic views of marriage/men/humans, not depressingly low expectations.
I'm quite happy with my sometimes twatty, imperfect dh and he with me. But that's wandering off the subject so....
Over and out.

Sn0wflake · 01/07/2010 13:37

You deserve to be happy too OP. He is not better than you. Why are you making excuses for him? If you had ignored him if he were seriously ill what would you think of that? You would feel deep remorse wouldn't you? So what is wrong with him that he doesn't?

I'm not saying you are perfect but you are not facing up to his faults, or you are and you are not making him see them. Don't lead a sad life.

I'm not saying leave him (although if you did you would get a fair whack of his wealth), but you could just have a bigger life. Go travelling without him, find your own identity again. You have the money so why not?

Butterbur · 01/07/2010 13:48

I think the OP is painting a picture of a marriage that has good and bad parts. I can relate to that. She says:

"DH has never stopped me from doing exactly what I want in terms of working/ not working/ making investments/ deciding on holidays/ choosing schools for the children/ pursuing hobbies/ buying houses/ employing help"

He's not that controlling. He sounds emotionally stunted, and unable to cope with illness.

My DH too has shown remarkable failures when I've been ill. After DS1's birth, I fell dangerously ill. After three months of decline, I came close to death (I had undiagnosed Addison's disease). Throughout that time, he continued to work away from home, Monday to Friday. I think our son would have died if my dear mum and dad hadn't come every week to look after him and me. At the end, I had to tell DH that it was time to pack the job in and look after his son, because I wasn't going to make it.

Much much later, I asked him what went through his head, and he said he thought he was doing his best for us by continuing his job, and making sure the money came in. He was and is a self-employed IT contractor, so would have lost his job.

I still find it hard to forgive him.