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to tell dp that I want to become celibate for a year.

305 replies

snottyslimeclock · 16/06/2010 19:23

I have always been a Christian and have become a much more committed one in recent months. I have decided that I no longer want to be involved in a relationship that involves sex outside of marriage.

This is not about me pressurising dp into getting married , we are doing so next year and it is very much a joint decision. It is not because I do not want to have sex with him, we have a lot of sex and often. My heart still flips when he enters the room and I often chase him around the bedroom.
I would like to think that if dp asked me I would agree even if I found it difficult, but it is a big ask - although not a permanent one.

I am a regular before the trollhunters start to gird their loins.

PLease note my name is snottyslimeclock because dd has been making one and it is in front of me. This is not a comment on dp's hygiene.

OP posts:
EricNorthmansmistress · 16/06/2010 23:17

Ever?

snottyslimeclock · 16/06/2010 23:19

Probably not tbh.

We are lucky that we are in a position that we can have a lot of children if we wished. I don't really enjoy working and would love to give up. Dp is successful in what he does and could afford to support us.

OP posts:
snottyslimeclock · 16/06/2010 23:19

It is just balancing our desire to have a lot of children with doing what is best environmentally.

OP posts:
EricNorthmansmistress · 16/06/2010 23:22

Blimey

I think you might have to at some point. Unless you want one every 18 months or so...but good luck to ya!

lavenderbongo · 16/06/2010 23:25

This is a really interesting discussion and I have just sat and read through most of it.

I agree with others who have said that they do not understand the churches obsession with sex. Surely it is just an expression of your love for one another and not something to be ashamed of.

I believe that as long as you are in a loving comitted relationship (and not going around shagging random people and hurting others in the process) then "God" will be OK with it!

Sorry I am clearly not very religious but I did however wait until I knew I would be with DH forever before we had sex. It is more about being in a comitted relationship and not hurting others than being married before you have sex. Marriage is just a piece of paper - your committment to each other can be made at anytime.

So in my opinion you are being unreasonable OP. However I respect your beliefs I just don't understand you reasoning.

scoobydoolady · 16/06/2010 23:28

I have an idea, why don't we all stop eating too, ooh and live outside, never sleep, walk around naked, get really really fat, stop drink water and abandon our young whilst we're at it.

Because all species have a fundamental need to eat, sleep, keep warm, drinkwater, stay fit, look after our young and yes believe it or not shag to survive

mrscrocoduck · 16/06/2010 23:30

I like the sound of the 'survival shag' - wish I'd thought that one up at university!! ;-)

scoobydoolady · 16/06/2010 23:36

Ha ha - Well I had a few of them BUT I would like to point out that my morals are still in tact...... just.

differentnameforthis · 17/06/2010 01:45

You are "involved in a relationship that involves sex outside of marriage" because you have had sex in your current relationship, before your marriage.

I don't think being celibate for a year - within a sexual relationship - will make any difference, tbh.

It's like using condoms when you are already pregnant.

differentnameforthis · 17/06/2010 01:58

You see, I am struggling with this. You don't want sex before your wedding, because you feel it compromises your beliefs. Fine. I get that, I don't agree with it in your circs, but I understand that is your wish.

But if your dp refuses, you will resume normal 'relations'

So, either you

A] Aren't really serious about this, but feel pressured into doing it for the sake of religion

b] You are scared of what will happen if you don't give up your beliefs at your dps wishes (and I don't mean scared of the religious ramifications)

C] You are depressed & are trying to find your way & think this is it.

D] You are a troll.

Because someone so committed to their religion, as to want to change a sexual relationship into a celibate one, for a yr until marriage would not, imo say

"If dp is totally against this I will not pursue it"

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 17/06/2010 04:41

What a fascinating conversation.

Snotty, am I right in understanding that a large part of the issue about the premarital sex is because you are very opposed to having an exnuptial child, and so you are using NFP? And that's making you feel guilty? So that, in fact, the horse is not out of the barn sexually speaking, because according to your faith, every time you have sexual intercourse using the NFP method it is an occasion of sin?

Because that makes perfect sense to me. I mean, I'm an atheist with huge philosophical and feminist objections to the Catholic church, but it is a consistent religious position. You are continuing to sin every time you have intercourse and deliberately avoid getting pregnant, and you can't get pregnant without a church marriage. Right?

But then there's the goalpost moving. And the temptation aspect. And you and your partner clearly love each other and are deeply committed.

The bit that I don't understand, really, and a lot of others don't either, is that you didn't ever jump into bed lightly; the physical side of it came only after you already made a serious commitment to one another and you obviously thought hard about it. You're both religious. You've moved heaven and ear...sorry, I mean, you've gone to a lot of effort to be able to marry, including finding a priest who would be willing to grant an annulment.

And you say that the relationship is important enough to you that you will compromise your religious beliefs about the sex issue rather than lose your partner.

And yet, you won't move the wedding forward. Because you're still 'growing as a person' - but you sound like you're growing towards a - for lack of a better term - conservative religious position, such that surely marrying in the eyes of the church as soon as possible is the only consistent position? Because of your partner's grieving - but taking away the comfort and warmth of your physical self isn't exactly helping there. Because of the logistics of the venue - but that's silly, you can surely get your priest to marry you in a quiet ceremony now and then reaffirm your vows at a later date?

It's the reluctance to move forward the ceremony that's making several of us wonder if there's something deeper going on, whether your spiritual path is making you wonder if you want to be married at all (you're not thinking of a spiritual vocation, are you?), if there's something else going on that we - or you - haven't got at yet.

Because I can absolutely see your partner being supportive of the religious conviction aspect. But not if you're also not willing to move forward the date. You can't escape the fact that you're saying to him 'I no longer wish to have sex with you until marriage, and I have no desire to do anything to shorten the time until then'. It's the second half that's the killer.

Good luck, though, OP. I hope your talk goes well.

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 17/06/2010 04:42

Holy G...I mean, sorry, "Gosh", that was a novel. My apologies.

pointissima · 17/06/2010 08:47

Your Minister sounds like a sensible chap. I'd listen to him if I were you.

PortiaNovmerriment · 17/06/2010 08:53

I think this could all be tied in with your own feeings of lack of worthiness and be a way of somehow punishing yourself to 'atone' for imagined sins as much as anything else, and I'm not convinced that it's healthy or fair for your own development. You are clearly a good person- what is it making you want to tie yourself up in knots like this? (or not, if that's what floats your boat , but you know what I mean...)

EveWasFramed10 · 17/06/2010 08:58

I don't believe in God, but I really, really hope that everyone else's God has better things to worry about in this world than who is shagging whom.

I'm sorry, but this seems a bit unreasonable. You are already in a sexual relationship. Deed done. Yes, it is VERY important that you and your DP find ways to connect intimately that aren't necessarily sexual, but you don't have to be celibate to do that. You also LIVE together, which to some religious folks might be just as much a sin as the sex part. It seems like you are picking and choosing the ways that you want to 'be religious' and that's not really how it works.

stubbornhubby · 17/06/2010 09:02

snottyslimeclock -
where is the bit in the bible where Jesus says you should not have sex with your fiance?

snottyslimeclock · 17/06/2010 19:41

Sorry I was just popping in as I did not want to appear rude, if I cannot reply to posts.

I am on holiday from work from tomorrow and dp has just announced that he has booked a surprise holiday for us! Arranged childcare and everything. That will give us time to put our plan into action - so to speak.

We discussed this and dp thinks the compromise is an early wedding. He does not want to stop having sex but he understands why I want to. He has made lots of phonecalls and thinks he has found a way we can do it. We can't have the same venue for the reception but much else can stay the same. I know that when we phone family/ guests everyone will think I am pregnant - which is quite ironic! I doubt everyone will be able to make it - but as others have said that is not what matters.

I now have to buy a wedding dress in a few weeks!

But very quickly tortoise I think your post makes a lot of sense, hence our decision.

Portia it is not about that at all, it is not about denying ourselves but wanting to be in the best kind of relationship and not making compromises.

Stubborn it is immaterial now but off the top of my head St Paul in most of his letters. Although of course the problem with those letters is that they were written to a specific community and could be addressing specific issues.

Eve I suppose I am picking and choosing, as I said before I am not claiming to be a saint. But I very much wanted my dd to have a father in her life, she does not see her own Dad at all. I don't know if we would have lived together before marriage if dd had not been there.

Anyway thankyou very much for advice, I am off to pack.

OP posts:
MumNWLondon · 17/06/2010 20:25

snottyslimeclock

Another perspective as an orthodox jew if thats ok - it says in leviticus chapter 18 verse 19 not to have sex during a women's period (this is 2 verses before the verse about homosexuality). Orthodox jewish women go to the ritual bath (mikvah) each month after their period, its a bit like being refreshed etc. I'm not sure why the church always stresses importance of homosexual sin without mentioning the verse the sin of sex during periods? I understood that this is one of the reasons in judiasm for not having pre-marital sex (because you wouldn't have been to the ritual bath) - old testament anyway doesn't say anywhere about not having sex before marriage.

Anyway - thought it might be a good compromise to continue to have sex until the period before you get married and then after that period wait until your wedding night.

weetabixwhiner · 17/06/2010 20:29

That's one way of getting rid of him, you can't go backwards in a relationship, he will wonder if you have gone off him. More fool him if he accepts this ridiculous idea.

colditz · 17/06/2010 20:29

YABu

You can't suddenly decide to dictate someone else's sexual habits to them, which is what you will be doing if you tell your partner you're going to stop having the willing, mutually fulfilling sex you have now, and wait for a year until you get married.

I'm sure plenty here would say if he loved you he would wait - if you loved him you wouldn't make him, or yourself, wait.

expatinscotland · 17/06/2010 20:33

Sorry, but this is one of the most bizarre threads I've read on here.

Hope you find some peace in your soul, snotty.

CoteDAzur · 17/06/2010 20:50

This is one of the nuttiest things I have read on MN, and that is against some competition.

YANBU in the sense that if you don't want to, for whatever reason, nobody can tell you to have sex.

YABIrrational and more than a little nutty by deciding to abstain from sex after having a child with this man, which to me says you have not understood the point of "no sex before marriage" - I.e. You are supposed to be a virgin and your sexual life is supposed to start after marriage. You cannot take either of these back by abstaining at this point. So what you think you will achieve is unfathomable to me.

In any case, tell him how you feel on this subject. At the very least, he has the right to know what the woman he is with has changed into.

PortiaNovmerriment · 17/06/2010 21:04

It's not quite like that, if you read the thread, Cote- the dd is from a now-annulled marriage, and there are other complicating factors. I don't quite understand it myself, but it makes sense to the OP.

Have a good holiday, snotty.

CoteDAzur · 17/06/2010 21:09

"It makes sense to OP" does not mean "It makes sense".

PortiaNovmerriment · 17/06/2010 21:16

This is true.