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my new boyfriend says he is going to vote BNP

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susia · 02/05/2010 20:51

that's it really, I was really shocked and went into a bit of a rant. I can't believe someone I've been intimate with and been close to would vote bnp.

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TheShriekingHarpy · 03/05/2010 21:12

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QueenMuvva · 03/05/2010 21:18

Oh FGS@TheShriekingHarpy. Your arguments are tenuous at best.

Institutional racism (while undesirable) is not the same thing as open and unashamed fascism.

The BNP are openly racist, xenophobic and anti-semitic. They stand for little else, as far as I can see. Have you read their manifesto?

No, not all BNP voters think of themselves as racist, but if they vote BNP, this is what they are signing up for - so either they are very dim or for reasons I cannot figure out simply refuse to accept the bleeding obvious.

Refreshing?@daftpunk. His vision is not dissimilar to Hitler's 'vision'

smallorange · 03/05/2010 21:19

Yep lovely people

A BBC Panorama programme reported on a number of BNP members who have had criminal convictions, some racially motivated. The BBC's list is extensive. Some of the more notable convictions include:

John Tyndal had a number of convictions including assault, organising and participating in paramilitary neo-Nazi activities. In 1986 he was convicted and jailed for conspiracy to publish material likely to incite racial hatred.[251]
In 1998, Nick Griffin was convicted of violating section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986, relating to incitement to racial hatred. He received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was fined £2,300.[252]
Kevin Scott, who in 2001 was the BNP's North East regional organiser, has two convictions for assault and using threatening words and behaviour.[253]
Joe Owens, now expelled but previously a BNP candidate in Merseyside and former bodyguard to Nick Griffin,[254][255] has served eight months in prison for sending razor blades in the post to Jewish people and another term for carrying CS gas and knuckledusters.[256]
Tony Wentworth, former BNP student organiser, was convicted alongside Owens for assaulting demonstrators at an anti-BNP event in 2003.[257]
Colin Smith, who in 2004 was the BNP's South East London organiser, has 17 convictions for burglary, theft, stealing cars, possession of drugs and assaulting a police officer.[258]
Richard Edmonds (at the time BNP National Organiser, currently a member of the BNP's Advisory Council.[citation needed] was sentenced to 3 months in prison in 1994 for violent disorder for his part in a racist attack on a black man in Bethnal Green, London (although he was released after sentencing as he had already served this period on remand). Edmonds hurled a glass at the man as he was walking past the Ship pub in Bethnal Green Road, East London, where a group of BNP supporters were drinking. Others then 'glassed' the man in the face and punched and kicked him as he lay on the ground, including BNP supporter Stephen O'Shea of Purfleet, Essex, who was jailed for 12 months. Another BNP supporter, Simon Biggs from Penge (who smashed a beer glass into the man's face causing deep wounds), was jailed for four and a half years for his part in the attack.[259] He is now Newcastle-upon-Tyne organiser for the National Front.[citation needed].
Tony Lecomber cases

Tony Lecomber was jailed for three years for possessing explosives, after a nail bomb exploded while he was carrying it to the offices of the Workers' Revolutionary Party in 1985;[260] and again for three years in 1991, for assaulting a Jewish teacher.[261] He was Propaganda Director of the BNP at the time of the latter conviction.[262]

Robert Cottage case

In October 2006, Robert Cottage, a ex BNP member who had been a candidate for the party earlier in the year for election to represent Colne on Pendle Council, "was arrested under the Explosives Act on suspicion of possessing chemicals that may be capable of making an explosion."[263] The 22 chemical components recovered by police are believed to be the largest haul ever found at a house in Britain.[264] An associate of Cottage, David Bolus Jackson, whom he had met at a BNP meeting[265] was also arrested at this time.

The case came before Manchester Crown Court on 12 February 2007 where it was claimed by the prosecution that Cottage had plans to assassinate Tony Blair and Liberal Democrat peer Lord Greaves. Cottage pleaded guilty to one count of the possession of explosives, but denied the count pertaining to conspiracy to cause an explosion. Jackson pleaded not guilty.[266] In a statement read in court by the prosecution counsel, Cottage's wife said that he believed that "civil war" was imminent in the UK.[267]

The jury in the trial was unable to reach verdicts and the case was set for retrial in July 2007, when, once again, the jury failed to reach a verdict. The prosecution indicated that it would not seek a further retrial.[268] On 31 July 2007, Cottage was sentenced to two and a half years imprisonment for the charge he had admitted of possessing explosives.

smallorange · 03/05/2010 21:24

That was from Wikipedia BTW

QueenMuvva · 03/05/2010 21:24

Dd you see that BNP Wives programme? PMSL
I thought that was a beautiful depiction of the BNP. A couple of dimwits and an absolutely vile nutjobber.

LordVolAuVent · 03/05/2010 21:29

Daftpunk, you said it yourself, love

"...be careful what you wish for..."

I can't imagine that the BNP would not fuck up the country far worse than Labour have, in the extremely unlikely event they were given the chance.

If you give a "protest" vote to the BNP, or vote for them because you want a better pension for yourself [selfish emoticon], even though you are not racist (and I accept that there are people who wouldn't consider themselves racist doing this), you really have to accept that the BNP are racist/sexist/homophobic/vile, and considered by many to be such and therefore accept that you will also be seen in this way. If you don't like it, don't do it. If you don't realise this, or understand why they are seen in this way, you are an ignorant fool or worryingly stupid.

BNP members are either stupid and ignorant or racist and bigoted (sometimes both). If NG isn't the first, he's definitelty the second. Unfortunately an intelligent person can be a vile specimen of human life, a murderer or paedophile, and any number of other hideous things. Arguing his intelligence is not a point in his favour.

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 21:31

smallorange;

Do you think people aren't aware of all that? most of it is going back years for a start, plus I'm sure if you went through the entire Labour party you would find some dodgy stuff...

Oh, and don't foget, 90% of Labour MP's were fiddling their expenses...they're quite happy to commit crime...it's just a different type.

QSnondomicilabilis · 03/05/2010 21:32

So, a bunch of militant criminals will make a better job of running Britain? That is what you and your bnp croonies think, Daftpunk?

Daft yes....

LordVolAuVent · 03/05/2010 21:36

"I'm sure if you went through the entire Labour party you would find some dodgy stuff..."

Attempting to murder people simply because you don't like the colour of their skin... Dodgy.

daftpunk · 03/05/2010 21:39

Militant criminals are alive and kicking in this country already...everytime someone says anything to offend homosexuals they get death threats from loonies..

Jan Moir, the couple who run the B&B...the most recent examples..

I'm sick of it...I'm sick of arseholes telling me, and people like me, what we can say.

smallorange · 03/05/2010 21:43

DP I'm sure you know all about it. Look, you obviously have made your decision, you are obviously well involved with the BNP and all that. There's no point trying to get through to you.

I'm concerned that people are forgetting the BNP's recent history. They seem to see them as a legitimate political party instead of a disparate bunch of bampots and lunatics.

Christ I bet Griffin is pulling his hair out trying yo keep that lot in line.

electra · 03/05/2010 21:45

'Dd you see that BNP Wives programme? PMSL
I thought that was a beautiful depiction of the BNP. A couple of dimwits and an absolutely vile nutjobber.'

LOL - which one was the vile nutjobber? God I couldn't believe my ears while I was watching that - I could not believe such people exist.

LordVolAuVent · 03/05/2010 21:45

Yes, and gays and dark people get more than death threats, they get physically assualted or worse by people like you! The people running your beloved party in fact. Why is that acceptable?

No-one is telling you what you can and can't say, but they don't have to agree with you.

TheShriekingHarpy · 03/05/2010 21:50

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electra · 03/05/2010 21:55

OMG

surely this has not become a thread where people are defending the BNP????

we've been there and done that in about 3000 posts at the end of last year which exhausted me, for one.....

susia · 03/05/2010 21:58

you will all be pleased to know that we have now split up. Yes his views are totally unacceptable. By the way, I wasn't trying to justify them as acceptable by saying he was misinformed but trying to explain that that he was more uninformed than intentionally racist.

This coupled with his rigidity and (in all probability) justified sacking from his job for bullying makes him most undesirable. I had no ideas that his views were so extreme until he said he was voting bnp.

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BelleDameSansMerci · 03/05/2010 21:59

So, ShriekingHarpy there would be no war if the entire electorate loses its marbles and votes for a BNP Britain?! PMSL at that...

susia · 03/05/2010 22:01

and the reason I posted in AIBU is because I wanted to let off steam at what had just happened and thought it would be a good place to put it - it wasn't really a AIBU question so much as wanting to put my views down in a place as I was so upset.

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LordVolAuVent · 03/05/2010 22:03

Go Susia!!! Was just wondering where you'd got to. Pleased to hear it, I'm sure you can do better, think you've had a lucky escape.

shrieking harpy (what an apt name) - needless to say, I have every sympathy with the families of servicemen. I do not, however, see how them voting BNP would improve their situation. I would be offended that you were mentioning us in the defense of the BNP, in fact.

electra · 03/05/2010 22:03

Oh no the BNP are not openly racist at all

runnybottom · 03/05/2010 22:04

I really have no idea what your argument is Harpy.
Other parties are racist so lets no complain about the BNP? They aren't allowed by law to be openly racist so thats fine then?
Try reading their manifesto's, they are still obviously and openly racist, homophobic and misogynistic.

Take your straw men down and give an actual argument.

LordVolAuVent · 03/05/2010 22:05

By the way, susia, did you ever tell him you were Jewish before you dumped him? And what did he say if so? Just out of pure nosiness...

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susia · 03/05/2010 22:12

I never told I was Jewish as as I said to me it is not a major part of my life. I am English, brought up Christian (of sorts). It is my family's heritage but not a big part of my life.

I will ask by text though the race of the inmate as I would really like to know but don't know if he will answer.

Incidentally it was while I was composing a text to him last night to dump him about his bnp views, his controlling behaviour etc etc that he sent me a text dumping me!

I am in the process of replying and will express my views as I did during the weekend when we argued throughout.

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