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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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to be shocked about the amount of suppo rt a teacher gets when they nearly kill a pupil

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2shoes · 30/04/2010 08:26

now I know it sounds like the boy was not a good kid, but he was 14, the teacher nearly killed him, yet on here and in the media the teacher has been getting so much support.
yet a boy was nearly killed...........
(prepares to be flamed)

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FabIsGoingToGetFit · 30/04/2010 08:28

I won't flame you as I am shocked how this has been reported too. I am sure I heard on news the Judge had instructed the jury not to feel sorry for the teacher nor make his depression an excuse, yet a few hours later he is acquitted.

I suffer from depression and it is seriously crap but tbh my sympathies are with the child and his family.

DemonChild · 30/04/2010 08:29

YANBU. I was thinking that too. If it had been the other way round, I'm sure the pupil wouldn't have gotten off so easily.

And screaming 'die, die, die' as you beat someone round the head with a dumbell is attempted murder in my book.

BitOfFun · 30/04/2010 08:29

I'm not going to flame you, but really, why is it a problem that people are seeking to understand somebody who clearly has deep mental health issues which were cruelly exacerbated by the neglect of his managers and the youthful callous stupidity of his charges? Clearly it won't help to avoid it ever happening again if we ignore all this.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 30/04/2010 08:30

Personally I think you ABU. My DH is a teacher and the most placid, calm and kind person you could find. I know he is extremely stressed at the moment and there's nothing I can do, and his school are unwilling, about a situation.

SomeGuy · 30/04/2010 08:31

Unfortunately he's not the only teacher to have been driven mad (or nearly so) by hooligan children. I know several teachers who simply left the profession because they didn't want to be attacked and abused.

I think it's usual to express sympathy for people who are subject to prolonged campaigns of abuse, be they teachers or anybody else.

FabIsGoingToGetFit · 30/04/2010 08:32

You can be sympathetic to someone with a mental illness while still thinking it appears he has got away with attempted murder.

sharbie · 30/04/2010 08:32

I find it all a bit scary tbh.What if it were the other way round??

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2shoes · 30/04/2010 08:33

kreecherlivesupstairs i understand that, and feel sympathy for the teacher, he shouldn't have been at work, yet alone in a rowdy class.
but a child was nearly killed. yet look at the meadi, the boy has been found guilty without a trial, and all the symapthy and support is for the teacher, yet who knows what the long terms will be on the child head injurys can have life long affects

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Jamieandhismagictorch · 30/04/2010 08:34

I am symathetic to all concerned

< wishy washy liberal emoticon >

Jamieandhismagictorch · 30/04/2010 08:35

sympathetic

SwissCheeseIsHolyCheesus · 30/04/2010 08:39

Yabu, teachers are only human and can only take so much, that poor man was goaded, mocked and bullied by those 'children' all whilst trying to do a job.

I can remember when I was at school when an unpleasent grup of kids in our year saw it as there duty to make each and every new teacher flee the class in tears, this kind of behaviour from school children in this country needs to stop or this will happen again.

Unfortunately for the little shit in this situation, it backfired, and yet he continues to defend his actions

MintHumbug · 30/04/2010 08:39

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maria1665 · 30/04/2010 08:40

I know what you mean. I feel real sympathy for the teacher, but I feel that the surge of sympathy is partly motivated by the British basic dislike of children. Which is almost as great as the British inherent dislike of teachers.

McSnail · 30/04/2010 08:43

It's a horrific situation. I teach, and I teach in one of the worst schools in my area. The catchment area is rough, rough, rough and a lot of the kids are from awful families/backgrounds. It's usually very stressful teaching them, because their behaviour is so out there, but being part-time I can handle it. No way would I be able to teach there full-time.

I suppose what I'm saying is that I can just about imagine snapping in the way this teacher did, but I don't think I'd even be at work if I was as stressed and ill as this man allegedly was. This shouldn't have and didn't have to happen, but it did and I can't help but feel pity for the teacher. I also feel pity for the boy and his family. It's not a black and white attempted murder case, is it?

BitOfFun · 30/04/2010 08:44

No. It is the British dislike of horrible little shits. I don't often agree with SwissCheese on anything, but I will on this.

SwissCheeseIsHolyCheesus · 30/04/2010 08:56

Oi, why don't you agree with me on anything BOF ?? I'm hardly contentious or bullying am I ?? bit uncalled for saying that really, each to their own tho. Tho I admit I am nosey

And for what it's worth, the school I attended was a grammer school, with the best facilities etc. Little shits are little shits, wherever they come from !

echt · 30/04/2010 08:57

Er...what's wrong with disliking horrible little shits, or big ones for that matter? I believe it to be a rational response, not a "British" one, whatever that is.

And aren't most of the MNers here British, so typically they should dislike children, or are women exempt?

thesecondcoming · 30/04/2010 08:58

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MmeLindt · 30/04/2010 09:02

Not sure what to think about this. I did read that the female ringleader of the gang had been filming the abuse that they had subjected the teacher to for weeks. It was obviously not an isolated incident.

These films were shown to the jury we must assume that they were part of the decision making process.

What is the situation for a teacher if he goes off work because of stress? Would he still have been paid? Would the worry about not being able to support his family have contributed towards the problem?

mmrsceptic · 30/04/2010 09:05

Yabu. He was driven insane.

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2shoes · 30/04/2010 09:08

but if he was "insane" why was he on trial and not in hospital?

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SwissCheeseIsHolyCheesus · 30/04/2010 09:08

Totally agree thesecondcoming, there are little shites like him up and down the country, they have driven people to suicide, caused harm and abject misery to good people with their smirking, shitty little faces, and I for one hope he learns his lesson from it ( probably won't tho, his parents are probably too busy helping him sue for damages )

sleepingsowell · 30/04/2010 09:08

minthumbug good post

and I agree with those who are saying that the man was literally driven mad.

The jury and judge were the ones who heard all the evidence; if they've acquitted it must be on clear evidence that the man was not responsible for actions; literally, a psychotic episode - where you are detached from reality.

Poor guy, poor kids; no winners here. He might have won his freedom but he will always have this hanging over him. No career, and no mind free of the memory of this, ever.

addictedisinthesecondtrimester · 30/04/2010 09:10

i cant help thinking that if the boys parents/family had been all over the media saying look at what this teacher did to my sonand fighting for justice the media would have reported on it diffrently.

i just feel that as the victim is faceless as are his family the media feel its ok to to say to the teacher there there you have depression.

i also feel that the image of teenagers had played a huge part here, yes the boy was obviously a horrible child, but at the end of the day a child

pagwatch · 30/04/2010 09:10

I think if you spend weeks poking a badly wounded dog with a big stick at some stage it is going to bite you.One of the boys was on the radio yesterday. Thet were deliberately tormenting him in order to film his breakdown.
It went terribly wrong for everyone involved.

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