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AIBU?

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to be shocked about the amount of suppo rt a teacher gets when they nearly kill a pupil

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2shoes · 30/04/2010 08:26

now I know it sounds like the boy was not a good kid, but he was 14, the teacher nearly killed him, yet on here and in the media the teacher has been getting so much support.
yet a boy was nearly killed...........
(prepares to be flamed)

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ASecretLemonadeDrinker · 30/04/2010 09:11

I don't understand it, I keep thinking I am missing something. Why didn't he walk away, just leave the classroom? I have had despertate depression and PTSD but jesus, I am not above the law. Even if he smashed up the windows to scare them... but beating this child, however bad in this manner ?

sleepingsowell · 30/04/2010 09:11

oh and the school need to bear their responsibility too - how truly awful to hear of a school where the kids planned to goad the teacher to breaking point, film it, and then send it round the school for others to laugh at

It's positively frightening

What horrible, horrible children. But that comes as a result of many things, one of which is the whole ethos of the school and what they are exposed to on a daily basis

Coldhands · 30/04/2010 09:11

YABU. This particular pupil was a known trouble maker, his mates were filming the goading and they all knew the teacher had mental health issues.

I remember being at school and the boys in particular were truely vile. I wouldn't teach secondary pupils for a million pounds.

My sympathy is limited with the victim unfortunately. Maybe it will serve as a reminder to other little shits that teachers do snap sometimes.

sarah293 · 30/04/2010 09:11

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MarshaBrady · 30/04/2010 09:12

I'm glad he is being supported.

However the school situation is dire in some places and teachers need more support before it gets to this level of abuse and torment from the students.

BitOfFun · 30/04/2010 09:13

How many patients plan to goad their nurses past breaking point, Riven?

cornsilk · 30/04/2010 09:13

He's not 'got off' though. He's been in prison for months and he has yet to be charged with GBH.He has been found not guilty of attempted murder is all.

addictedisinthesecondtrimester · 30/04/2010 09:13

i also agree that he should now be in a mental facility seeking treatment.

am i wrong, has the victim or family been in the media swisscheese??

sleepingsowell · 30/04/2010 09:13

ASecret - because if you walk away, the children know they have beaten you - and then they are even more cruel and goading because they know they have won. In this sort of 'gladiatorial' environment walking out does not seem an option I suppose

It just truly frightens me about the state of some secondary schools.

Pofacedagain · 30/04/2010 09:14

You have no idea if the child in question is a 'little shit'. You know nothing about him at all except he probably, like many teenagers, was mouthy and playing up in the classroom. And you think being beaten about the head with a dumbell until near death 'taught him a lesson'.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

The teacher should not have been working there.

cornsilk · 30/04/2010 09:15

I also thought it was over the top when that female teacher was put in prison for shooting an air rifle on the floor near the yobs that had been tormenting her family. Her life was ruined over that.

cornsilk · 30/04/2010 09:16

Po faced you are very right - the teacher should not have been working in class at all. That's what he tried to tell his headteacher but unfortunately it was ignored.

SwissCheeseIsHolyCheesus · 30/04/2010 09:16

I wasnt aware that they were deliberately goading him to film him ??!! Cheesus that's evil, they werent acting like children, but as monsters who obviously knew what they were doing

Coldhands · 30/04/2010 09:18

Exactly SwissCheese. They knew exactly what they were doing.

cornsilk · 30/04/2010 09:19

I feel very sorry for the child and his family.

Pofacedagain · 30/04/2010 09:19

You all say teachers need more support. Maybe children need more support. The education system is letting so many kids down. If they were properly stimulated and their potential was tapped instead of being despised and 'controlled' and herded in large groups around depressing buildings maybe things might be different.

Pofacedagain · 30/04/2010 09:20

And yes of course teachers need more support too. the whole educational system is brutalized.

thesecondcoming · 30/04/2010 09:20

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porcamiseria · 30/04/2010 09:22

I tend to think that this teacher should have left the profession some time ago, as he clearly was having issues. I blame his management who should have seen this, and adressed it before it came to this.

I agree, a 14 year being beat until he has a fractured skull is unacceptable in my book.

expatinscotland · 30/04/2010 09:22

I don't consider 14-year-olds children in the same way a 6-year-old is, tbh.

Plotting to provoke a man they know is unstable and film it on a mobile for kicks is hardly a childlike act.

sleepingsowell · 30/04/2010 09:23

We can't afford private education but my god if DS comes back from secondary with stories like this about the behaviour of pupils we will sell the house, rent a cardboard box and keep him at home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cornsilk · 30/04/2010 09:24

I don't think all teachers need more support at all. Most teachers manage fine.But due to budgets etc teachers are under a lot of pressure to get back into work at times when we are not really fit to be in there. I was once 'persuaded' to do a parents evening by my head while I was in the process of miscarrying. Now I think, 'Why the fuck did I do that?' But when you are feeling vulnerable it's easier to be pushed into a role that you shouldn't really be in than when you are fully well and able to think things through.

BitOfFun · 30/04/2010 09:25

I'm sure teachers are pretty fed up of being told that they are at fault for failing to stimulate their feral pupils. Seriously- do you really think this is about crap teaching? It's a far bigger problem.

ASecretLemonadeDrinker · 30/04/2010 09:25

"ASecret - because if you walk away, the children know they have beaten you - and then they are even more cruel and goading because they know they have won. In this sort of 'gladiatorial' environment walking out does not seem an option I suppose"

It shows a hell of a lot more control than trying to murder him. Lord knows I want teachers to have more power in classrooms, think these boys were awful but nothing nothing nothing condones this would-be-murderer of his actions. It's not about saving face, it's about not trying to murder someone. My ex pushed me to the limits in a worse way than these yobs, the only time I would have taken action (in this kind of way) if I thought my life was at risk. Not because someone was picking on me. Leave the room, get in your car, drive home, quit your job... say fuck it. I really don't understand it.

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2shoes · 30/04/2010 09:26

so it is now ok to call a child a "shit" strange that normally on mn that isn't allowed even when talking about children who have murdered.
14 is still a child.

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