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to feel really sad about what this young mum said?

220 replies

CathyBurns · 22/02/2010 10:24

I don't know this girl well, just know her through someone else - but she's young (late teens) and pg with first baby

she said to her friend "Ugh, no, I won't be breastfeeding, XXX (partner) hates it, he says it's gross and like an animal"

who are these people who think like this? Where has it come from?

OP posts:
coldtits · 22/02/2010 13:33

yes, I had more important things to do than breastfeed my child.

It didn't mean he didn't get fed. I'm not a complete fuckwit.

coldtits · 22/02/2010 13:35

It was a choice I'd have made anyway. When I was 22 the very idea of breastfeeding utterly repulsed me. And what a lot of people still will not give headspace to is the fact that I was, and am, perfectly entitled to feel that way and do not have to grovel or explain myself. Neither does it make me a bad mother.

sungirltan · 22/02/2010 13:37

nspcc - eh?

fishie · 22/02/2010 13:38

no of course it doesn't make you a bad mother coldtits, nobody has said anything like that. agree with lubylu3, i think you have the wrong end of the stick here.

pigletmania · 22/02/2010 13:40

How ignorant! We are animals, thats why we are called mammals becuase we feed our young ourselves. There is a good BF campagin aimed at young mums with postive images of young mums bf, and their trendy and young which might appeal more.

amber1979 · 22/02/2010 13:40

Coldtits

First, let me say that I totally respect your decisions as a woman and a mother to do what you bloody well want with your own body. Nobody has the right to tell you to breast feed or not.

However, I am genuinely curious as to exactly what replused you about breast feeding? Am just genuinely interested if you don't mind.

GetOrfMoiLand · 22/02/2010 13:41

I loved feeding dd and would have carried on longer, however I had to go bacvk to work FT when she was 3 months, so she had to be bottle fed from then on.

Yes I could have expressed however expressing and support re that was far less prevalent 15 years ago. I tried to retain one night feed but it all dried up.

I do not feel regret now (or at the time) re giving up as I had to make choices - and it was pretty black and white, I had to go to work and in my life at the time I couldn't bf and work.

Sorry off at a complete tangent there.

BrahmsThirdRacket · 22/02/2010 13:46

Tbh I find the idea of breastfeeding a bit icky. Plus I don't like the idea of being so 'attached' to the baby all the time. But bc of the health benefits I would try for at least 6 months. Childbirth is not nice either but we still do it bc we have to. I have just looked at the WHO policy for bfing and it does seem that a lot of the benefits are more important for women in the 3rd world, e.g. if a child gets diarrhea in Africa it will mostly likely kill them whereas here not so much. A lot of their reasons for avoiding ff are ones that would not apply in the UK e.g. what if your supply of formula ends, what if the water it is mixed with has diseases in it? I don't believe it's the be-all and end-all.

loobylu3 · 22/02/2010 13:47

coldtits- no one is ranting on here apart from you!

You had a free choice how to feed your baby and made it. If you had to return to work immediately after the birth, that's a real shame but something that you apparently had to do for financial reasons. Most women are able to stay at home for at least a few months nowadays, but you obviously were not.
This thread has nothing to do with Nazi Germany at all! The only person seemingly not allowing this young mum to make a free choice is her own partner.

fishie · 22/02/2010 13:52

hmm at diahorrea killing babies 'not so much here'. that's ok then?

breastmilk is better for babies than formula, it is a fact. doesn't mean that breastfeeding is compulsory.

BrahmsThirdRacket · 22/02/2010 13:54

well bf babies can still get diarrhea.

I know it probably is better for babies, but I think the difference between how good bf and ff are a lot smaller in the developed world. But it is the world health organisation, so it's not exactly aiming all it's literature at Islington, is it?

FioFio · 22/02/2010 13:57

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fishie · 22/02/2010 14:02

brahms it isn't probably better for babies. it is better.

anyway, to get back to the point, maybe if that was more widely recognised then people would not be letting their partners make feeding choices for them.

DuelingFanjo · 22/02/2010 14:03

OUt of interest, before formula was invented what did woman do when they couldn't breast feed?

Ziggurat · 22/02/2010 14:04

Coldtits - why are you taking this so personally?

Of course you're entitled to do what you want with your body - that's the whole point of the thread! This girl's partner is effectively telling her what to do with her body.

Sad, no?

And Brahms - no 'probably' about it - breastfeeding is better than formula feeding, which is why it's promoted and people get defensive about it. It's up to you which you choose.

coldtits · 22/02/2010 14:04

Well, ok. It's a long story though.

Have coppy/pasted from the last time someone asked me this.

Ok

This post may be misunderstood. Please read it to the end.

When I was pregnant with ds1, I knew I was not going to breastfeed. I had never in my life seen anyone breastfeeding, but had made formula up for my younger sister's bottles many many times.

The concept of breastfeeding was utterly alien to me. It was something for middle class mums in their thirties, with planned babies and husbands and mortgages and a lady who 'does' and a detached house. What the hell had it got to do with a non married, unplanned pregnancy, homeless 22 year old? Nothing. That's not, in my experience, what single young homeless pregnant women plan.

Why, I thought, would I want to squeeze bodily fluid out of a part of my body and shove it down my precious baby's throat. Breast feeding repulsed me. Breast milk repulsed me. Whenever my nipples leaked colostrum, I had to wash my breasts and change my (permenent fixture) breast pad. I was disgusted with my body for taking over my life in this way, for not doing as I wanted, for getting in my way. I wanted to take the pregnancy off and hang it over the bannister until I could have the baby. My swollen breasts were a symbol of everything I hated about my life at the time. I hated them, and I certainly didn't want the revolting things anywhere near my precious baby. So I bottle fed him, very happily.

Of course, I had PND after the birth, but in the circumstances, PND was probably just a case of when, rather than if.

Fast forward to ds2. Pregnany was traumatic, as some here may recall. Perfectly healthy pregnancy, practically insane mother.

But this time, I was a little more clued up on breast feeding. I wanted to try to do it. I had finally brought myself to a point where I wasn't frightened to try new things.

Unfortunatly, by the time Ds2 was born, I had had to start a course of antidepressants, and had been prescribed (although refused to take) tranquillisers. In the delivery room, straight after the birth, the midwife asked me how I intended to feed. "Um, breast" I tentatively sqeaked.

She asked me about my medication. Disappeared to talk to someone, came back and told me I had to stop takintg the pills, or I couldn't breastfeed. I asked her to double check, she went of and came back 10 minutes later, and said again. No.

So ds2 has also been raised on the bottle, and that one hurt. That one really hurt, because I made that decision on what was best for %me. I would have become very very ill if I came off those pills - but ds2 could have had pure, unadulterated breastmilk, which I wanted him to have. But....

Doesn't he also deserve a well mummy? Should ds1, who was never breastfed, have to suffer a miserable and withdrawn mother for the sake of ds2's breastmilk, which is an advantage ds1 never had?

I made the decision and while I what outraged at myself, I was secretly relieved, too. I had been let off the hook by my own uselessness.

***

People have their own complex reasons for not wanting to breastfeed. To demand that they tell you the truth about their choice is sometimes an intrusion too far. Many people will simply take the easy route and say "Ew, Gross." or "My husband wouldn't like it" or "Formula is just as good".

Bonsoir · 22/02/2010 14:05

When women couldn't or didn't want to breastfeed their own baby, they used a wetnurse; they fed it cowsmilk; they fed it flour and water paste.

A lot more babies and children died. About 50% of children didn't make it past their tenth birthday in pre-revolutionary France.

tethersend · 22/02/2010 14:08

sungirltan- it just struck me that as so many people get very upset about babies' welfare to the point they feel sadness at them not being bf, that they must also be supporting charities which deal with babies' welfare; such as the NSPCC. (I appreciate that some posters are more upset about a young girl being told what to do.)

As an aside, would it have been that awful if coldtits had wanted to return to work?

Dominique07 · 22/02/2010 14:15

I know a few women who quite specifically decide that yes, they will breastfeed for the first one or two months, because the doctors and health visitor advise this, but they'd have to give up quickly before their breasts get saggy, and also would need to go to the gym and get their figure back before their boyfriend got sick of their post natal looks!

Dominique07 · 22/02/2010 14:16

Sorry to explain, angry face because they put their 'man' or their looks before their child.

tethersend · 22/02/2010 14:17

x-post coldtits

Bonsoir · 22/02/2010 14:18

Dominique07 - I agree, that's a common belief here in France.

I believe it's very misguided - I breastfed for a very long time, and it made me slimmer than ever. My breasts are unchanged also. The only legacy I have of having had a baby is a pregnancy legacy (slightly crepey tummy when I lean over and - TMI - slight piles).

amber1979 · 22/02/2010 14:21

In eighteenth century London, the mortality rate for poor fostered babies was almost 100%. That answers the question of what happened to non-breastfed babies prior to the invention of modern formula. Scary stuff.

groundhogs · 22/02/2010 14:38

coldtits Thank you. Your point of view and input has made me feel differently about a couple of things.

1, that although I did try to BF, it simply didn't work, no milk came through, and I felt guilty. I know I shouldn't have felt guilty, but it's so drummed into us that we HAVE to BF, or are not proper mummies, there is little else one can feel.

  1. despite much help from MW/BF counsellors, BF didn't work, DS weight plumetted and I had to give up and go onto FF. perhaps because of this, i found the experience most unpleasant, and didn't enjoy it at all.

Your comments have helped me come to terms with feelings I had at the time, but have not felt able to express or own up to.

I support the right to choose, to do what feels right and natural FOR YOU.

Brow beating or guilt tripping is just Bullying.

thesecondcoming · 22/02/2010 14:39

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