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in thinking that there should be a "what not to do" Book for MIL's?

226 replies

Kitkatqueen · 16/02/2010 23:54

Ok, so there have been quite a few MIL aibu's lately including the 1st Haircut another memorable one for me was the MIL who gave her grandchild his 1st food while his mum had popped to the shops. Oh!! and the MIL who wanted to "suckle" her grandchild so that she could bond with them.....

Upset was caused, trust was lost, so what is the "line"? what shouldn't MIL's do?

I'm hoping that one day I will be a MIL 4 times over and I would hate to think that I had caused so much upset. So...
What have your MIL's done that they shouldn't iyvho?

OP posts:
Osmama · 25/02/2010 18:03

By all means buy cute baby clothes before your grandchild is born - but do not send them to the mother-to-be as a gift for her birthday.

[sits back and waits to be told she ought to be grateful somebody got her a present and to respect prospective grandparents for being able to remember anyone's birthday a mere three months before their first grandchild's birth]

fallon8 · 25/02/2010 19:13

for coldhands et al.

a,,by asking about all the things about the baby, she is probably bored to tears with it and trying to show an interest.
b..she managed to bring up your husband and maybe siblings without getting uptight about leaving the kitchen door open, asprin bottle tops,cupboard etc etc..we have done all that,our homes are not geared up for small kids anymore and they will grow up despite what you do to them..lighten up.

poguemahone · 25/02/2010 19:16

love it, bobdog!

Do not respond to the news of your DIL's (not mine) miscarriage with "It serves her right".

Do not get drunk and 'accidentally' leave DIL a voicemail message calling her a c*nt.

Do not allow your DS and DIL to pay your mortgage for several long years on the basis of your poverty, when you have secretly come into a large inheritance.

Do not stage-whisper to your DS that DIL has got the bf thing all wrong (especially if you never bf yourself).

Do not blatantly show your preference of DGS over DGD by only buying gifts for DGS.

piscesmoon · 25/02/2010 19:20

'More important I think is a guide to how to be a DIL. Starting with remembering that your dp is still a member of his family of origin even if he is committed to you. And he doesn't have to prove that commitment by detaching himself from his mother.'

I liked this comment by seeker on the very first page. The DH doesn't come alone and you get his parents, his siblings, his uncles, aunts, old family friends etc etc who have loved him since birth.They may not be the people you would choose but you have to make an effort to get on. (I accept that some are toxic-I am not referring to those).

Horton · 25/02/2010 19:43

'Starting with remembering that your dp is still a member of his family of origin even if he is committed to you. And he doesn't have to prove that commitment by detaching himself from his mother.'

This is very true but it cuts both ways. PILs need to remember that although their son is still their son and always will be, he has now chosen to have a family of his own and will, ideally, be equally committed to them.

NormalityBites · 25/02/2010 20:04

Do not turn up at your DIL's house when she is giving birth to her first baby when you have been asked to stay away, were not invited and wouldn't even have known she was in labour had your DS not been round at yours when she did Don't then take hold of the baby before your DS has even held it. Don't then 'let him have a quick hold' and then hold the (unfed) baby for the next 3 hours whilst DS and DIL sit there in shock.

Don't get a subscription to Mother and Baby magazine FOR YOURSELF - the clue is in the title.

piscesmoon · 25/02/2010 20:40

Respect is needed on both sides.

thesecondcoming · 25/02/2010 20:52

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mogglemoo · 25/02/2010 20:57

My MIL is coming for the weekend tomorrow- we have had our ups and downs over the years, but I have to say that the worst thing she has done was when I was out...

She cleaned my hairbrushes!

Yuk.

There have been lots of digs over the years, mainly about how I care for her 'Darling Son'. I don't have a degree, I wash his clothes incorrectly and, by far the worst only had 2 DC's when 3 was the magic number!- then 'making' my lovely husband have a vasectomy to ensure we had no more children (a joint decision, by the way). She had the cheek to ask, when we told her that we wanted no more children- 'Why can't you get sterilised?' Not bloody likely, I told her, and promptly pointed out that I was not stiffing the Pill down my throat for the next 20 years when there was a much simpler solution- that her son was going to the vet (iyswim)!!!

eggontoast · 25/02/2010 21:47

8 years ago I would have answered this thread quite differently than I am now.

Over time, we have begun to see eye to eye or at least, we do a very good job at pretending!

I do believe that all the earlier problems stemmed from the MIL's precious son being 'stolen', then her feeling inadequate and trying to show how wonderful she is as a mother. The DIL, is worried at first, that the son does love MIL more and feels intimated by MIL/Son relationship as it threatens her position as first woman in partners life, and is annoyed by MIL's attempts to prove she is best and rebels.

Then (hopefully) both realise that they both are loved and cherished and actually they can get along as they have many things in common.

Or, they have nothing in common, still hate each other and make each others lives a misery and continue to battle for dominance.

Or, one or both are unable to see things from another persons point of view.

liahgen66 · 25/02/2010 21:53

do not spend the whole time you are in son and dil's house talking about how great other brother's dd is. Yoiu have 5 beautiful dg's here too you know.

Do not lie to dil about whether you had noticed that 3 yr dgd had eaten whole tub of multi vitamins so she spent next few hours frantically speaking to poisons unit. (here's an idea, keep a bloody eye on dgd when caring for her)

ok am going now, i could be here all night.

I am going to learn from my mil's mistakes and be a fantastic mil.

StayFrosty · 25/02/2010 22:34

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TiredTiredTired · 26/02/2010 11:07

I think it would be quite nice if my MIL actually gave a shit. 6 months into my first pregnancy, and she hasn't actually even picked up the phone to say hi (she lives in France), instead communicating via email via my monumentally forgetful boyfriend.

Oh and her and the FIL's behaviour when I had a miscarriage last year was much the same. Have never seen two people so dead inside.

MIL: "do you want to go swimming this afternoon?"

Me: "no I can't, I've just had an operation, remember?"

FIL: "What operation?"

Me: (trying not to cry) "I just had a miscarriage and they had to cut the baby out of me. They don't let you go swimming until the bleeding stops. That's why we've come to stay with you for a week. Remember?

FIL: "oh right" (as if I'd just told him it was sunny outside)

I don't want meddling, I'd just like a bit of support sometimes!

ChaosTheoryMum · 26/02/2010 12:00

Well, on the whole my MIL is not too bad (and quite a sweetie-pie compared to WhoIsAsking's, by the sound of it! My GOD, did she really say that??!!) However, here's a few of my little peeves:

  • Thunder "oh nooooo, you can't tell him off, he doesn't understand he's being naughty!" every time you try to prevent your 3-yr-old from doing some unspeakably diabolical, tantrum-fuelled deed that he knows FULL WELL is not acceptable behaviour.
  • Decide that every time said 3-yr-old gets cross, whiny or throws a tantrum he must be "ill" and then go on and on about taking him to the doctor.
  • Spend an entire year nagging about how your child really shouldn't still have a dummy, he's far too old for it and haven't we tried to stop him yet? Only to say when we've finally weaned it off him "I think you may have done it too soon, you know, he looks very insecure without it..!"

Refuse to keep any toys for him at the MIL house (I know, you've got no room, the house'll get untidy, etc.) so that we have to take a load with us in the car every time we visit. Then, while he's there, distract him from all of those toys and instead give him the contents of your kitchen bin to play with (i.e. old food packets, sweet wrappers, plastic bottles) - AND insist he takes them home with him afterwards because "he had such fun with them while he was here!" I have enough rubbish of my own, thanks - I don't need anyone else's!

swanandduck · 26/02/2010 12:08

Thesecondcoming - You do not have a difficult MIL you have and INSANE MIL.

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NanaNina · 26/02/2010 14:58

Have not read every post but most of them - and I think seekers and Morriszapp (near the beginning) made excellent posts and piscesmoon as usual is coming across as rational and with an ability to see both sides of the "problem"

I post as a MIL of 3 dils and several grandchildren! I think it's a shame no one responded to MorrisZapp's post (i think on first page) because to me that hit the nail on the head. She makes the point that MILs are by definition also likely to be mothers of daughters as well as sons and we don't hear on MN daughters criticising their mothers in the way they do MILs. I know there are some exceptions to this but in the main it seems to be the MIL/DIL r.ship that is fraught. Neither do we hear much about men and their MILs.

I think the underlying problemn as MZ says is this tension and conflict between 2 women who are (maybe nor consciously) fighting for their position in the family. There is so much room for misunderstanding and misinterpretation in this r/ship, and this is evident in so many of the "she says/does, doesn't do" etc etc. Some MILs sound pretty dreadful but it is a 2 way street and we only hear the DILs version on here, well mostly that is the case.

I try hard to be a good MIL as my MIL was a good hearted woman but was interfering when I wasa young monther with my first son, and I made a pact with myself there and then that I would never interfere and I have kept that promise. In any event all my DILs are very competent mothers and child rearing has changed so much in 40 years. A lot of the MILs on here seem to want to hark back to their own child rearing ways and inflict this on the DIls which clearly causes irritation and resentment.

However I would say that as a Paternal GP you are not always seen as important as the Maternal GP and this isn't entirely fair. It is understandable as I recall wanting my own mother around when my babies were small, rather than my MIL but I see now that wasn't really fair. Seeker you make excellent points about both sets of GPs being important for a child, who has the right to have r.ships with his/her extended family.

Sometimes when I read these DIL posts I wonder to myself what the MIL point of view would be and of course we never hear that on MN. I just feel it is sad that this troubled r.ship continues and probably always will, as it involves 2 women loving the same man, albeit in different ways.

One thing I do know and young mothers won't know this (I certainly didn't) is the intense feeling sof love you have for your little boys will not really change in its intensity over the years and you will still want to protect him when he's 40! No matter how much you realise this is ridiculous and how hard you will try (as a good MIL) to hide this feeling, it is there honestly. I think some MILs can't hide it and it gets played out in other ways and naturally upsets the DIL and hence the "fight" over one man continues and the r.ship degenerates further and further.

Also when GC come along, it awakens in the GM allthe feelings that she had for her own baby and she sort of wants to re-live it all. If we as GPs are sensitive and aware of this and take care not to show this by being overbearing then all is well, but I think for many MILs described here, they are not able to do this and again it gets played out with the DIL and GC and causes resentment. It helps having good women friends who are also MILs and Pat GPs to whom one can confide.

I am fortunate enough to have 2 lovely dils and one who is nice enough but I have to tread a little carefully with her, which I do. All 3 make my sons very happy and what mother could ask for anything more.

Sorry I've probably said enough!

Jamieandhismagictorch · 26/02/2010 15:49

Nana - i agreed with Morris !

redqueen45 · 26/02/2010 16:32

MIL/FIL - at every major family event (weddings, christenings, etc) do not insist that the photographer only takes pictures of YOUR (adult) children, and all SIL & DIL's are not to be included - this is just plain rude. We are all well aware that we don't count as 'real family', no need to rub it in.

MIL - please stop unfavourably comparing my DC with your other DGC, & vice versa; this only fuels jealousy & bad feeling.

MIL - don't tell DIL that it doesn't matter if DIL doesn't come to family wedding because she is minding her uninvited DCs, & that as long as your DS is present...

However, this stuff is minor compared to MY own parents incredibly insensitive comments & behaviour - I moved to another country to get away from them...

cocolepew · 26/02/2010 17:00

Don't sob throughout your DS's wedding and when he says "FFS it's not a funeral" shout "it might as well be"

Don't sit waiting for your DIL to wake up from a D&C after a M/C and tell her "it was for the best, because you (me and DH) hardly know each other.

Don't break in to you future DIL's flat and rearrange all the furniture and leave her pills on the pillow and throw away all her mortgage stuff. And shrink as many clothes as possible.

Don't phone 999 when around visiting your new GC because your DIL was "harming " her. It's called colic.

Don't visit your very sick DG in hospital and say "this is nice now we're all together".

Don't threaten to kidnap your DG.

Don't tell people your DS had divorced me.

Don't tell people I had died and your DS couldn't live without you and you had moved in with him and the DG to be "a proper family"

Do fuck off.

iamanewmum31 · 26/02/2010 17:19

Nicely put 'nannanina' I would like to add that It is important to remember that the first few months are precious for the parents and that the new mother has so many crazy hormones going on and has to adjust to her new role. Personally prior to having my DD I got on brilliantly with my MIL. To the point of building bridges with her and my DH (my DH did not want a relationship with her due to a bad childhood). Since having my DD she has tried to interfere. I have found this insulting. I have now taken a firm hand with any unwanted advice. This has started to pay off. Communication is the key and feelings shouldn't be bottled up. DIL need to remember that they will be the MIL one day! My advice for MIL would be-

1.) Give the new parents space at first
2.) Call before visiting
3.) Only give advice when asked
4.) Tell the new parents they are doing a good job (even if it isn't your way).
5.) Don't pick up baby without asking
6.) Tell the new parents how you are prepared to help. You don't want them to be too reliant on you!
7.) Have a social life

LibraryLil · 26/02/2010 17:25

DIL - DO say "thank you, that sounds worth trying" when offered advice by MIL, even when you might not have any plans to take it

MIL - DON'T push in front of son and DIL and everyone else to blow out the candle on the first birthday cake just as DIL is taking a photo of daughter smiling at it

piscesmoon · 26/02/2010 19:33

An excellent post from NanaNina. When I first had a baby of course I wanted my own mother around and not my MIL, who I didn't know well at the time. I had to fight the impulse, it simply wasn't fair. It took time to get to know my MIL, but well worth the effort and she has been lovely over the years.
The saddest post I read on here was a woman who had her MIL trying to help when she was heavily pregnant, she said 'stop fussing, I have my own mother to do that'-as a DIL she saw nothing wrong with that! The really ironic part is that she had a DS and one day will be the MIL-being uncharitable I hope she finds out how hurtful that is, it would have cost nothing to let her MIL make a fuss of her.
It seems to me that the mothers of all boys are dreadful parents, whereas the mothers of girls are lovely-perhaps if you have one of each you only know how to parent the girl!!

Strange that this 'dreadful woman' passed on her genes and nurtured the man that you have chosen to spend the rest of your life with!
He is the person he is, through nature/nurture and the MIL is the person responsible for both-there must be a lot of miracles taking place for so many lovely men to have been brought up by horrible women that you would like to cut out of your life!

BambinolovesBeccie · 27/02/2010 09:18

Posted by iamanewmum31
1.) Give the new parents space at first
2.) Call before visiting
3.) Only give advice when asked
4.) Tell the new parents they are doing a good job (even if it isn't your way).
5.) Don't pick up baby without asking
6.) Tell the new parents how you are prepared to help. You don't want them to be too reliant on you!
7.) Have a social life

This is, in a nutshell, what every new mum [DiL] wants I think. My MiL did the opposite and totally got my back up from the off. I think the worst thing she ever said was that I needed to stop with my anxiousness (I had PNA)as it was stressing DS out - that comment hurt me more than anything anyone has ever said to me. I had an EMCS and really struggled to bond so that comment was like a bullet. I would sit and cry every day thinking DS hated me. I know it sounds melodramatic but I will never forgive her for that.

DH takes DS to see her once a week whilst I'm at work. She lives 5 minutes down the road and I might see her every 2 to 3 months, which suits me fine. I am always civil to her but I do not want a relationship with her.

piscesmoon · 27/02/2010 11:38

You will have to hope Bambino that your future DIL doesn't feel the same about you.
Why not be open, tell her how much her comment hurt and start again?