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Advice with helping at the scene of a fatal accident

158 replies

zippytiptoes · 02/02/2010 20:15

I'm really just after a couple of opinions if anyone could help out.

I stopped at the scene of an accident on Sunday after seeing a young girl flagging me down to ask for help.According to the police it seems as though I was the first one there.

To cut to the quick, the people on the road were injured but not badly, then I saw a car down in a ditch 20ft below. I ran and got my kids blankets out of the car to cover the passengers who looked unconscious. When I returned to cover them, coincidentally the next people to arrive were two surgeons who took over and asked me to help.

Basically, it was horrific. The daughter was pretty much dead although they did carry out CPR and use a defibrilator but with no luck.

The surgeons told me to climb into the back of the car and hold the woman's head still while they were doing other stuff to try to help her. I did this for about 45 mins while we were waiting for the air ambulance and while the firebrigade cut the roof and doors off the car.

I did what they asked and talked to the woman all the time. I kept telling her that we were trying really hard to sort things to make everything better. She seemed to regain consciousness and was screaming a lot and trying to move my hands, but her arms were broken and she couldn't move properly and the surgeon told me to keep her still. It was horrific.

When the air ambulance people were ready to move her, I left and returned to my car. I had to stay to give a statement and when I spoke to the police officer later, he said the mother had died too.

I feel so sad about this, which I know is inevitable. The family liason officer asked if I would mind if the husband/father requested my details, would I mind if he contacted me in the future. He explained that some people find it very cathartic which I can understand. However, I know I'm being totally selfish, but I'm not sure I could. The reasons being that I wouldn't want to tell the man the truth as what I experienced was so terrible and grafic and I feel that I wouldn't be able to lie, but wouldn't want to tell the truth either.

The top and bottom of it is that I have thought for two days now about writing the husband a letter, just saying that I was the first one there and that I did everything I could to help. That the surgeons were amazing and that I talked to his wife and daughter throughout and tried to reassure them. I hate the idea of him thinking they were all alone and in pain.

Do you think that writing to him would be a bad idea or would serve a purpose. I also think maybe if I did nothing, that that would be the best move, but in lots of ways feel that that is cowardly and selfish on my behalf.

If anyone has any advice, I'd be so grateful. I've got two little girls and would want someone to help me if I were grieving.

Thank you.

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onepieceoflollipop · 02/02/2010 20:18

What a shocking situation for you, very distressing. So sorry that the people involved died as well.

Could you discuss this further with the family liaison officer? I expect that your reaction of not wanting to meet the bereaved person isn't unusual.

My initial thought that a kindly worded letter may be an immense comfort to the gentleman in the future, but I have no personal experience in this.

On a practical note, you may well feel shaky and shocked for a little while. Try and look after yourself.

Dirtgirl · 02/02/2010 20:19

I think that would be a good idea. You could make it clear on the envelope who you are so if he doesn't want to read it he doesn't have to. Alternatively you could give it to the police family liaison officer and they could give it to him if he wants it.

I've not been in your situation of course, so I'm just clutching at straws. I think you were amazing todo what you did.

Nymphadora · 02/02/2010 20:19

Write a letter and give it to the police. The poor man then has the option of whether to read it or not, even if its years later it may help him. It may also help you to write it down

bruhaha · 02/02/2010 20:19

Tragic - I think your letter idea sounds good, you don't have to put any contact details on it, just explain how everyone helped and that you spoke to them. I think it would help him know that they weren't alone.

DwayneDibbley · 02/02/2010 20:19

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Lionstar · 02/02/2010 20:20

I have no advice, but I'm so sorry for what you have been through and think you are the most incredibly brave person.

onepieceoflollipop · 02/02/2010 20:20

Also I think that if the man knew that two of the people initially on the scene were able to do CPR and use the defib etc, this may (in the future) reassure him that all that could have been done was done. So, so, sad.

Northernlurker · 02/02/2010 20:21

I would certainly write. Then you are giving him some comfort and reassurance without exposing both of you to a very distressing situation. That may come anyway - if there is an inquest or court case but for right now he does need to know people tried to help, that they cared, that his loved ones weren't alone.

For you I want to say that I have just massive admiration for the way you've acted. I know you will probably say you couldn't have done anything else but it took a lot of guts to do what you did. You've shown love and compassion and the touch of your hands was one of the last things they felt on this earth - that's just amazing that you could do that. I wish the end result was better but you did all you could and you should be at peace with yourself for that.

thatsnotmymonster · 02/02/2010 20:21

awful situation

My mum had a similar situation a couple years ago when she stopped to help a young lad who had been in an accident. He was the same- thrashing about and agitated- he also died later. My mum is a doctor. She thought about contacting his parents but don't think she did.

It is very normal for people who have been involved in an accident like this to be extremely agitated and screaming etc. though very distressing to witness.

TBH I would allow my details to be passed on and if he decided he would like to speak to you just tell him that- that you were with them the whole time, you tried to comfort them and spoke to them the whole time and that everyone did everyrthing they could. No need to say more.

How waful for everyone.

DeirdreB · 02/02/2010 20:21

Bless you!! I'm sure the family would love to have your letter. What an awful thing to happen. Do consider asking for post traumatic stress counselling if you think you need it. I'm sure you made their passing easier - it's not something everyone would or could do.

Toffeepopple · 02/02/2010 20:22

Firstly, hugs to you for what you did. You were brave and responded as I think we would all hope we would respond, but don't know because we have never, thank the lord, been tested.

One of my children was witness to a fatality, so I do have some small sense of what you are going through - the tumult and the turmoil, and being part of the emotional process but also part of the legal process as well.

I think you should talk to the family liaison again and ask their advice before you do anything. They may also advise relevant groups which you could speak to.

But also please go very gentle, easy, nurturing and kindly on yourself. You need time.

With love. xxx

ChippingIn · 02/02/2010 20:22

It was great of you to stop and help, not everyone would have.

I can see how talking to the husband/father would be very difficult for you, especially as the truth isn't very nice/comforting. I think writing the note would be a good start and hopefully it would be all that he needs to hear. However, if he needs to talk to you (which, having been through something similar, I can understand) then if you can talk to him, it would mean a lot to him. If you end up talking to him, all you can do is try to keep the conversation to how you comforted them and reassured them etc, but if he asks specific questions then be honest, but as vague/comforting as you can get away with.

Be brave - he needs you x

Dawnybabe · 02/02/2010 20:24

You could send a card and just say you were there and you spoke to them and held her head and they were not alone and how sorry you are and leave it at that. If he wants anything more he will ask, but I'm sure he will be grateful for you telling him and probably won't want any gory details. He's probably already asked the medical people as they would have the 'professional' opinion on the state of the mother and daughter.

I'm so sorry for you. What a horrible thing to experience. I hope you feel better soon. Can't really offer much more help but didn't want you sitting there on your own!

Sidge · 02/02/2010 20:24

Oh I feel for you. What a terrible situation to be in

You did an amazing thing in helping those women. Even though they died you did what a compassionate, caring human being could do and were with them during their last moments, doing your best to help. Unfortunately we can't save everyone and sadly people do die, but I know it must be very painful for you to have been involved.

Do contact the FLO and please don't feel guilty for not wanting to talk to the father/husband. I think a letter is a lovely idea and may provide him with comfort as it's something he can keep.

The FLO may also be able to put you in touch with someone you can talk to such as a counsellor, as you have also suffered a shock and a loss even though you didn't know the people. Be kind to yourself.

Longtalljosie · 02/02/2010 20:24

I think it's quite possible the husband might not contact you for a while, and I think it's probably best for you if you don't have to live with the uncertainty of whether you're going to have to relive this.

I would write the letter. That way, you'll have worked through in your head what you feel is best to tell the husband should you need to. And then you'll be best able to come to terms with what's happened yourself.

It sounds like it was an horrific experience and you did the very best anyone could possibly have done...

saggyhairyarse · 02/02/2010 20:24

Do make sure you get some support. My DH was first adult on the scene of a fatal accident (man fell out of a tree) and has been really troubled by it.

2010aQuintessentialOdyssey · 02/02/2010 20:25

oh poor you zippi, what a horrible thing to experience. But well done you for being strong, helful and for coping. What tremendous courage you have.
Are you offered some post traumatic councelling?

CrowAndAlice · 02/02/2010 20:25

Yes write the letter and go soft on him wrt the information.

And please please look after yourself - this will come back to you at times when you least expect it. Talk it through endlessly if that's what you feel like to loved ones or professionals.

bluebump · 02/02/2010 20:25

You were very brave, what a terrible thing for you to witness. I think the letter idea sounds good, it may even help you by writing it all down and getting it all out.

thisisyesterday · 02/02/2010 20:27

how awful zippy

i can understand why you feel the way you do, but my friend's dad was killed in a terrible accident a while ago, and she NEEDED to know what happened.
there was no-one like you that she could talk to, but she did go through her mums stuff and find the autopsy report, which she said was absolutely horrendous, but she needed to read it, she had to know exactly what had happened so that she could come to terms with it

so IF he wants to talk to you, which he may not, then please don't feel like you have to keep stuff from him because it was so awful. if he asks then it's because he really does want to know.

a letter is a really lovely idea tohugh

Overtiredmum · 02/02/2010 20:31

I think he could draw tremendous strength from knowing that someone was with them at the end, talking and generally supporting them. I think I would write a letter just saying that you were with them at the end and how you comforted them, and leave it at that.

I also think you are an enormously courageous woman, and please take time out for yourself following this, must have been very traumatic for you.

OTMx

Flightattendant · 02/02/2010 20:33

I am so sorry

You did everything that was asked of you and more. It must have been appalling to witness.

I hope you can feel more restful before long. x

agedknees · 02/02/2010 20:34

What a beautiful, caring person you are.

Maybe write the letter now, you do not have to send it now. It may help with the emotions you are feeling.

Can you discuss it with the FLO?

BaDaBing · 02/02/2010 20:37

That is such a terribly sad experience you have had zippy. I hope you are doing okay after it.

I think the letter is a great idea. I don't mean to sound at all flippant but it's not like it could make him feel any worse could it? It could most certainly offer him some comfort.

Bumperlicious · 02/02/2010 20:37

Goodness, what an awful thing to happen. Well done, you are a very brave woman. I have no experience but I think your thought of a letter is a good one.

I hope you don't have to go through too much of an ordeal when this goes to the inquest.