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to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2

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nybom · 10/08/2009 11:59

As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.

It boils down to:

I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.

I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.

Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.

I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.

I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.

Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.

Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:

RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...

RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.

RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.

The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.

OP posts:
FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 13:36

I lived without a fridge for about 2 weeks in February - thankfully at the time I was renting ah house witha garage that joined onto the house - and it was during that really cold spell we had - so I kept stuff in the garage.

Mumcentreplus · 10/08/2009 13:37

'so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do.'

nybom why don't your ask your friend then?

Mumcentreplus · 10/08/2009 13:40

or would you get a head-butt?..

Tamarto · 10/08/2009 13:40

I lived with a bed, a dining room chair, a cot and a microwave for months because apparently my situation wasn't a problem.

I wish i knew then what i know now.

I'm sure i bought some cut fruit at the time too, maybe the 5p saving would have bought me the stuff i needed.

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 13:41

well you know what they say - look after the pennies and the pounds look after themselves .

treedelivery · 10/08/2009 13:47

Tamarto - you should have cut your cloth.

[I was close to puching people who preached that when dh was made redundant. What cloth?]

sarah293 · 10/08/2009 13:55

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expatinscotland · 10/08/2009 14:03

'Yup, the best thing they ever told me though was that a fridge isn't an essential item. '

That's right up there with those housing 'rules' which count the kitchen as sleeping space for tenants.

Longtalljosie · 10/08/2009 14:07

How the hell does this deserve another thread? Is there anything in the world left to say on the matter?

sarah293 · 10/08/2009 14:08

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K999 · 10/08/2009 14:12

In fairness Expat...some kitchen cupboards are fairly large and could easily accommodate several small children and dont forget the drawers for any newborns...

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Tamarto · 10/08/2009 14:15

I needed somewhere to store my cut fruit though.

You'd have thought i'd asked for the moon on a stick, and trying to get hold of a cooker from SS was like pulling teeth despite their 'projects' stating they would be readily available to those who needed one.

What i wouldn't have given to be one of those teen mums who are given the world, well anything except the cut fruit of course.

drosophila · 10/08/2009 14:16

When I grew up we had nothing and my parents lived within their means. I can tell you it was a miserable existence.

Ninkynork · 10/08/2009 14:18

at kitchen cupboards and drawers.

Best one I had was to leave the gas oven on and open with DD's cot next to it all night. My boiler was broken, it was minus-something out and I had no recourse to a crisis loan to get it fixed. That's what they came up with. She was a clambering toddler at the time.

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 14:21

lol @ kitchen cupboards being big enough for small children and drawers for babies .

Riven - we had a fabulous BBQ yesterday - spent far too much on it really - but it was sooooooooooooooooooo worth it.

Tamarto - it's ridiculous isn't it. When DH first lost his job and we were still separate he had virtually nothing to his name (he let me keep all the furniture in the house when we split as I would need it for the DS's). He was told about places he could go and buy some stuff to actually be able to live a meagre existence (a 2nd hand washing machine, a chair to sit on, a table to eat at, a bed to sleep in etc etc) - problem was that on his £64.50 a week he couldn't afford any of it .

woozlet · 10/08/2009 14:33

Not sure why it concerns you so much. Your poor friends probably buy these things because it makes them happy and because they don't care as much as you do about money.

Pre cut fruit - just more convenient when you are on the go etc.

I am from a 'poor' background - council house, both parents worked but dad's many addictions ate up the money. I had a good childhood, I ate very well, was clothed nicely and had ace birthday parties. As a result, we were in a lot of debt. Not sure what my point is really, but if you want to ask me anything about what it was like and why they were in that situation then go ahead.

MsSparkle · 10/08/2009 14:53

I'm a bit confused?

The people you describe nybom in your original op are "poor people" surely? I wouldn't describe the people you were talking of as being poor so why are you?

What makes them poor?

MsSparkle · 10/08/2009 14:54

Sorry that should have been "The people you describe nybom in your original op are not "poor people" surely?

motherbeyond · 10/08/2009 14:59

expat "blether"!you remind me of my gran (from largs) ma wee hen!

nybom pmsl when saw PART 2...can't wait to show my dh when he gets home from work,he's not usually interested in things i tell him about mn...but his comment when i showed hi your op was "holy fuck,she's gonna get roasted..and not in a good way!"

and he was right,what a not!

by the way,we don't buy pre cut fruit,but we're ttc dc3 even though we can't afford it..please add us to your list..i feel left out!

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 15:03

haha - just going back to the end of the last thread talking bout my DH's hunt for work......he's just gone upstairs to call about a job........as a letting agent - says they're looking for someone with experience (of which he has none) but hey you never know.................

MsSparkle · 10/08/2009 15:03

I agree that the pre-cut fruit are very expensive for what they are compared to if you bought the fruit and cut it yourself. Then again you can say that about alot of things like ready made sandwiches and most take-away food. All would be cheaper to make at home but it's the convienience your paying for isn't it.

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 15:04

no.........it's a new branch of the agents and they're looking for someone with proper letting experience.........oh well.......

expatinscotland · 10/08/2009 15:05

oh, motherbeyond, nybom would go spare here in about 5 minutes!

first of all, everyone drives as it's a rural area.

and people regularly stop their cars and leave them idling whilst they whitter on to someone in the road. yes, in the road.

everyone just drives around the obstruction, into oncoming traffic, tooting their horns and rolling down their windows to wave and greet each other if it's someone they know.

lljkk · 10/08/2009 15:15

I don't know what you hope to achieve by prolonging this, nybom.
MN has been at its worst by putting words in your mouth and making the worst assumptions about what you 'really' meant.
So why do you want to keep giving people the opportunity to be horrible to you? What good will it do?

Yes some people are foolish with their money.
Yes many people are foolishly materialistic.
Among those foolish-with-money are some people with very little income.
Aren't those things just ordinary facts of life?
Many people get an irrational pleasure out of spending money, even (or maybe especially) when they don't really have it to spend. It probably comes down to a perceived increase in social status from having more material wealth, and appearing to have a certain amount of wealth (to be able to afford certain types of things). I'm sure that psychologists and sociologists have studied this sort of thing in depth, if you're really that interested.
Try searching on Google for terms like "Psychology of Money".

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