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to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2

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nybom · 10/08/2009 11:59

As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.

It boils down to:

I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.

I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.

Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.

I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.

I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.

Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.

Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:

RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...

RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.

RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.

The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.

OP posts:
LoveBeingAMummy · 10/08/2009 16:59

Just been to sainsburys and bought some prepacked melon.

sarah293 · 10/08/2009 17:08

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KembleTwins · 10/08/2009 17:14

Read most of the first thread in bafflement. "what is she on about?" I though. Now have figured out the best action to take. The Elizabethans had a class of the poor they called "sturdy beggars" - exactly the type that nybom is on about (although poss without the cars. Bet they left their horses running at traffic lights though) I think the solution was to bore a hole through their earlobes, so that every town would know to run them straight back out the way they came in. Sorted.
Pre-cut fruit is really good for quick smoothies at breakfast time, btw.

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:16

What is it, exactly, you are hoping to achieve nyborn?

Do you want us all to bow to your superiour knowledge and wisdom and change our terribly feckless ways?

Overmydeadbody · 10/08/2009 17:17

oh good, even less posts to go to fill up this thread now

curiositykilled · 10/08/2009 17:23

I think nybom's point is mainly that the poor shouldn't be allowed to buy the pre cut fruit. That she can't see why people should want it but the poor should not be allowed it. Perhaps the shop assistants should carry out a means testing quiz each time someone attempts to buy pre cut fruit.

Or is it just the poor people who have made bad decisions who should not be allowed access to the pre cut fruit? Perhaps the quiz should include a secondary section asking people if they have ever made a stupid choice...

Speaking of utter lunacy - incidentally I was once asked to prove I was over 18 to buy teaspoons in sainsburys... perhaps the government should incoporate a fruit access grading system into these new identity cards. Those who are both poor and having made stupid choices only being allowed access to uncut, unwashed fruit...

KembleTwins · 10/08/2009 17:43

Or no fruit at all. That way they would die of scurvy, and the whole problem would be solved.

Tamarto · 10/08/2009 17:48

I know someone who uses her healthy start vouchers to buy the pre cut fruit.

People like that should be flogged...

FedUpWithRainyDevon · 10/08/2009 17:48

I think the government ought to issue means-tested licenses to buy pre-cut fruit.

sarah293 · 10/08/2009 17:56

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PeachyLaPeche · 10/08/2009 17:57

Blimey not again! And a more aggressive OP, niiice

So nybom, what's your solution? Punish the many for the few or just realise that a few poeple haev it a bit skewed for goodness knows what reason and turn a blind eye?

Oh and the realreason we used to leave our car engine running (changed car now)- was never sure it would start up again. hey ho

curiositykilled · 10/08/2009 17:58

Riven - no that wouldn't work, I used to shop in waitrose when I was on benefits. I used my healthy start vouchers in there too. I think you can sneak in those places if you don't look like a pov...

sarah293 · 10/08/2009 18:00

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PeachyLaPeche · 10/08/2009 18:01

These basd decision- do they come in the form of a questionnaire?

Q: you have a decision to make now. What should it be:

A) a bad one

B) a good one

becasue you know- most people make the best decision they think at the time, sometimes they are obviously wrong and sometimes that beocmes apparent later, but nobody deliberately chooses to make bad ones (depending on your definition of abd ones of course; you could include being on benefits when there's a job available but then you'd need a multi generational sociological study combining fullscreening of mental health, physical health, circumstances and psychological conditioning to understand why its been made).

Jusge not, lest ye be taken the piss out of on MN.

IQ 140? What about EQ? or do I already have my answer.....

curiositykilled · 10/08/2009 18:02

Those sneaky povs could use the supermarket's delivery services to get their hands on some contraband too as I did after when I was a single parent with a new baby....

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