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to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2

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nybom · 10/08/2009 11:59

As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.

It boils down to:

I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.

I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.

Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.

I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.

I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.

Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.

Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:

RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...

RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.

RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.

The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.

OP posts:
VinegarTits · 10/08/2009 12:54

Mynob don't you mean appropriately?

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 12:54

well I could ask why so many people with decent incomes feed their kids crap (ready meals, and expensive processed shit) and spend so much money on eating out (without the kids) in nice restaurants, or by the latest flashy car..........

Mumcentreplus · 10/08/2009 12:55

nybom that was a really really rubbish come back..

nybom · 10/08/2009 12:56

vinegartits i did but i'm not as clever as you, you know?

OP posts:
VinegarTits · 10/08/2009 12:57

I know

K999 · 10/08/2009 12:58

Whats wrong with eating out in restaurants without the kids?? its the only time I can finish a meal without toilet interuptions, crying, moaning.....and thats just DP!!

VinegarTits · 10/08/2009 12:59

I am considerably more cleverer that yaw

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 13:00

gas and electric certainly isn't £120 a month cheaper though - and the cost of food isn't that different - we're not talking about cooking for 1 or 2, I'm talking about cooking for 4 or 5........makes no odds really.

VinegarTits · 10/08/2009 13:01

'A (simple) selfmade cake'

You got me with this one though? how does a cake make itself?

josiejo79 · 10/08/2009 13:04

How someone choses to manage the budget for their home is entirely up to them. I have to say if I was poor I wouldn't want to give up the few luxuries that I had if I could help it. I may be naieve but I am not aware that all of the poor families in this country have malnourished children while their parents are happily smoking away like chimneys watching sky movies (in HD of course), eating pre cut mango, and leaving their cars idleing along on the drive.

I on the other hand have one of those flash BMW(company) cars that the engine cuts off everytime I take the car out of gear and put the handbrake on, except of course when the air conditioning is on and therefore it needs to stay on so that I can remain nice and cool!

Nybom, you are absolutley entitled to your opinion but i am not sure that this is the forum to have aired it on.

K999 I agree with the merits of cut fruit, only this morning i threw away two apples and a couple of plums that had rotted in the fruit bowl.

K999 · 10/08/2009 13:05

I think she means the ones you can buy in Greggs...

GetOrfMoiLand · 10/08/2009 13:06

"Switching your engine off for short periods of time can actually increase fuel consumption, as it requires more fuel to get the engine started. Also your catalytic converter will no longer be running at full temperature and so your car will be less efficient, increasing the amount of pollution you cause."

From www.whatprice.co.uk/tips/fuel-efficiency.

(Tempted to go Ner Ner Ne Ner Neeer in manner of 5 year old).

curiositykilled · 10/08/2009 13:07

this OP makes me so I can hardly speak.

I think the general point is why do you care so much? How do you even know? Why can you not be satisfied with your own supposedly happy life.

Mumcentreplus · 10/08/2009 13:09

I thought she meant those character cakes you get from supermarkets...

VinegarTits · 10/08/2009 13:09

shall i do it for you GOML?

ner ner

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 13:10

a simple cake that's made itself isn't actually that cheap if you have to go out and buy the ingredients and a cake tin first.

josiejo79 · 10/08/2009 13:16

FAQ not to mention the gas or electricity needed to cook it, receipe book so you know how to make it, Cooling rack for when it's done etc etc

GetOrfMoiLand · 10/08/2009 13:18

"If a car battery is continuously deeply discharged by, for example, stop start motoring and heavy use of the car phone, air conditioning etc, and is then not adequately recharged, it will lose its performance relatively quickly. This is called deep cycling/wear and tear and is not a manufacturing fault."

sticks fingers up and blows raspberry

VinegarTits · 10/08/2009 13:18

Is it magic then? does it leave little trails of gold dust and play the theme tune from Fantasia when its making itself?

BrieVanDerKamp · 10/08/2009 13:19

I was on the last thread but gave up on it quite some time ago, so what happened.....what's this about DH getting involved????

Did the husband come on the post???

What is his MN name, love to see it

K999 · 10/08/2009 13:19

it was very original....nybomshusband (I think iirc)

Tamarto · 10/08/2009 13:20

FAQ - I know that i was just stating the explination i was given by the DWP.

Their other excuse was council tax and rent, if there is any to pay after HB. There isn't two tv liscences to pay etc etc.

IS/JS only covers the adult part so the fact that there are children involved doesn't matter so i kind of see the point that a couple don't need double what a single person does, but not to the extent that the benefits say.

Morloth · 10/08/2009 13:20

I buy precut coconut - have you ever tried opening a damned coconut? I am quite wealthy though so it is OK for me to be frivolous with my money (well DH's really, all I do is fuck around on Mumsnet).

FAQtothefuture · 10/08/2009 13:24

ahh I see - they expect that you spend only the JSA on the adults, and only the CTC on the children.........

Reality of course being that it all goes into one little big pot and gets spent where it's needed

Tamarto · 10/08/2009 13:27

Yup, the best thing they ever told me though was that a fridge isn't an essential item.

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