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to not understand why so many poor people... PART 2

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nybom · 10/08/2009 11:59

As things have calmed down a little now, despite DH getting involved , I will try and explain once more what I meant to express by OP.

It boils down to:

I have noticed that in this society a lot of money is spent unwisely/for luxuries and increasingly so. This does indeed occur, as many of you have pointed out, regardless of level of income, throughout the social stratum. What I don't understand is, how the very poor people spend/are able to spend money on luxuries whilst compromising on the basic requirements (such as nutritious food for their children). The examples I mentioned were from my circle of friends, not generalisations.

I was bringing up examples from poor people because if a wealthy person fritters his income away for luxuries it doesn?t affect basic requirements such as food, (at least I have never ever come across anybody), however if you don't have any money to spend, it does.

Before you get enraged, I'm not addressing poor people as a whole, I don?t mean disabled people or people with poor health (mental or physical), nor people made redundant, nor women (or men) left by their partners, or any one else who unexpectedly and by now fault of his or her own has got him- or herself into that situation. Neither do I mean poor people who indulge themselves with their own saved money or money given to them by someone else.

I don't think it is fair that MNs stereotype "the rich", and have a go at them. But how dare anyone say anything negative about "the poor". That is hypocritical.

I only listed how I spend my money to demonstrate that it can be done, not to say how ?great? I am. If I can do it anybody can.

Please don?t make any assumptions what I do or not do in RL to actively help make things better and support people in need...
And I have a great life, thank you, and not a boring one, either. But curiosity is human nature (just look at the topics of women?s magazines, don?t any of you buy those?), and if you walk through life with open eyes, you just notices things. Also, my academic background is in sociology, so I have a genuine interest in wanting to understand why people do what they do. No finger pointing or accusing intended.

Finally, I?d like to respond to some specific points which have been repeatedly been raised:

RE car engine: it is an absolute myth that it is cheaper to leave the engine on rather than turn it off and on again a short while later (ask any car mechanic). In some countries you risk a fine if you don?t turn your engine off at (certain) traffic lights/road works! They?re not doing that for the sake of it. It?s just unnecessary pollution and a waist of money! It is not a matter of ?treating yourself? if the husband waits in the car with running engine and the wife goes shopping in a supermarket (and it is not extremely cold or hot (aircon))! It?s just stupid. I don?t imply you should turn your engine off at stop and go traffic jams, but those where you come to a standstill, where after 2 or 3 minutes of nothing happening it would be wise to turn the engine off (even if you had to turn it on again in 1 minute it would save money). Same with ?popping in? at shops/dropping friend of etc...

RE kids parties: there?s nothing wrong with kids parties per se! Of course it's nice to create something fun for them. But why have branded accessories right down to the bags the kids take home? Again, extra expenditures and extra waste. A nice party isn?t made nice by spending loads! A (simple) selfmade cake (not one of those branded one with loads of artificial colouring, ugh), and a couple of party games is all the children need to be really really HAPPY. The bags are thrown away, as are most of the contents, it is cheeper and easier to use kitchen towel or plastic bags for sandwhiches plus you can choose what you put in the bags.

RE cut fruit: It is still absolutely beyond me why you would spend twice as much money (or more) for precut fruit (not tins!) if you could easily cut it yourself, particulary if you are poor and only have a 5 pound shopping budget.

The UK has become a very materialistic society (but that is a different topic), maybe I just recognise it more as I?m from a different cultural background.

OP posts:
Longtalljosie · 12/08/2009 17:47

Sorry, no, that's just being needlessly offensive. That's not crying victimisation, that's giving practical examples of the situation we're discussing.

And the point is, you have given no practical examples at all, and when you have been asked for information to back up what you are saying, you have declined to do so.

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 17:56

nybom - I'm pretty sure (can't really understand the post) you are crying victimisation and criticising people who you think have cried victimisation all in one post there...

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 17:59

A new nybom best has been achieved I think... we should all bow our heads... how superior someone must be to be able to victimise others for, in her opinion, crying victimisation when she doesn't think they should, whilst simultaneously crying victimisation herself! ha ha ha!

sarah293 · 12/08/2009 17:59

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K999 · 12/08/2009 18:14

Anyone for a glass of wine and some nibbles??

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:14
curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:15

k999 - can we have some peartiser for the preggos?

I vote we have pudding...

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:21
Longtalljosie · 12/08/2009 18:28

No peartiser for me, I'm a preggo so MN wine's the only sort I"m able to have at the moment

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:29

laughs at 'benefit busters' program due for broadcast on 20th August on C4... Thinks maybe it could have been written by nybom....

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:30

longtall - preggo's can have MN wine?!?!?!?!

GodzillasBumcheek · 12/08/2009 18:31

curiositykilled - DH is making bramble crumble in the kitchen right now, do you think it will work out ok?

GodzillasBumcheek · 12/08/2009 18:31

i do know it's not the same as blackcurrant btw, just asking though

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:33

godzilla - sounds intriguing, in a very pleasant way, what's in it?

Longtalljosie · 12/08/2009 18:33

Hell, yes. Pass the oysters and stilton once you've finished with them...

teamcullen · 12/08/2009 18:35

curiosty.. is the cottage pie shop bought or homemade from organic ingrediants?

Just wondering on a purly socio-economnic point of view

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:35

and the blue steak and mr whippy ice cream?

Ah... bliss...

GodzillasBumcheek · 12/08/2009 18:38

LOL - just a lot of brambles and some sugar, topped with crumble. He did a bramble pie last week using similar technique but when he took it out of hte oven it seeped all over the place

Still yummy with ice cream though!

curiositykilled · 12/08/2009 18:39

teamcullen - MIL stated that the meat and seasonings where shop bought but the veg was homegrown. The blackurrants for the crumble are also homegrown. I think that is superior to organic isn't it?

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