Shocked that no one helped the girl on the train

[Ohhh1]

14 year old SA in trained

I am being unreasonable in think people need to stop being so absorbed on their phones whilst out in public. It seems no one helpped this child whilst she was being raped because they were too busy on their phones.

I commuted for years when I was younger and experienced a number of men acting inappropriately towards me (mainly older men who sat too close, 'accidentally' touched me and made inappropriate comments/asked inappropriate questions). I am sure that every time other people in the carriage saw and heard what was happening but all suddenly became very engrossed in their book/phone etc. I have on occasion called men out when I have witnessed them doing similar to other people and no one else was ever willing to get involved. This included when a middle aged man decided to go and sit with girls in their school uniform on the way to school, ask them whether they have boyfriends/have they had sex etc and made inappropriate comments about their bodies/clothing. This particular man had also previously tried to follow me when I got off the train after making inappropriate comments during the journey. I told the station staff and their response was basically that he hadn't actually DONE anything and was probably just wanting to chat. I can quite believe that people on the train may have suspected, even if they didn't know exactly what, that something untoward was going on and decided to keep out of it.

why add undocumented men to the make population. I agree white men rape. So why do we let in more men. Esifvislly since we don’t know a thing about them. At least cruise passengers have passports.

"denied" on what grounds?

The article simply describes them as "migrants" and does not elaborate, so neither you nor I have any idea of how they arrived in the UK or on what basis they are here.

I'm sure you're not arguing that people from certain countries or demographics should be denied entry to the UK in all cases and irrespective of circumstance, because not only is that inhumane and barbaric, it's also nakedly racist, and I'm sure you're not one of those.

You are unreasonable for reading the daily mail

Aye. The girl is collateral damage. A price worth paying in order to demonstrate how humane we are. I get you and I disagree.

There are other cases, this man was charged yesterday with 12 counts of rape (as well as two counts of making indecent images of children, one charge each of causing or inciting sexual exploitation of a child, distributing an indecent image of a child, stalking, making threats to kill, false imprisonment, theft and criminal damage.)

But no one is starting threads about him for some reason.

Hampshire Reform UK councillor charged with rape and sexual assault - BBC News

what would you have done op if you were there - are you sure you would have noticed?

would you have stepped in and approached the men yourself?

its easy to say youd have done better from a distance !

Having read the article you are making assumptions.
First you are assuming when she was assaulted in the carriage there were other people around it doesn't state that anyone else was present at that point.
The article states she was asked what other passengers in the train where doing, she said they were on their phones. It doesn't state passengers in the same carriage at the time she was on his knee, it could have meant passengers she saw on the way to the toilet.
There are only 2 people to blame in this scenario.
I get a train often and I will often read or look at my phone, are you saying we should all sit looking around us like Meerkats constantly

The rapists, just as they pursued the man with a knife on the train last year, not the steward who tried to stop him and was hurt himself.

When children at my child’s nursery were raped I read every article in the news on the court case and I have to say the daily mail were the most comprehensive on their reporting which was actually very useful as the police refused to provide any information until our mp got involved

Led? You mean she was walking along the train behind them? I would think nothing of it unless the girl was visibly distressed or they were manhandling her .

Absolutely, totally sick of the “white men rape too narrative to excuse what is going on.”

Nonsense. Why spout such nonsense? You will find that statistically 85% of sexual attacks happen by white British men. In a country that is 82% Caucasian. Meaning that white British men are responsible for more SAs even when pro rata.

Yes, this. I wouldn't have noticed. I'm reading and/or listening to music on the train. I do my best not to catch attention, honestly.

xDown did not say the victim was collateral damage. They said that we cannot police immigration on the basis of race and propensity to rape (which we don't know). What we can do is deport these men after they have served their sentences - I don't suggest they be sent to Afghanistan or wherever to serve because I am not sure they would actually be sent to prison for raping a girl who was 'obviously sexually available' in their eyes or their countrymen's eyes (and not our eyes). We need an orientation course for immigrants on British culture (you know, that culture that doesn't exist).

The court case details are shown online.

Siegfried is right about the stats, however.

Another migrant bashing thread.

Not so. My DM used to read the Daily Mail. Lots of women do, it is aimed at them. I gave up on the Guardian years ago, too.

Your post is laden with prejudice

Is that you Vladimir?

Sad to say this is not at all new and not due to staring at phones.

I was taught to scream FIRE if assaulted back before mobile phones existed because people ignore screams for help from women and girls being raped.

More to the point why are these animals allowed here to live freely amongst us? Our government are responsible for this and every other crime committed by these monsters and not the other people travelling on the train!!

Wow
Your post is laden with prejudice

@Ohhh1

YABU.

Of course it's dreadful what happened, but it's ridiculous to blame the passengers on the train. How on earth were they meant to know what was going on?

When I'm on a train, I have my music in my ears, and a book or magazine in my hand ... I'm not looking around to see if everyone's OK.

The girl was 14. Where were her parents? Why are you not focussing your anger on them? Or (as some posters have said,) the rapists!