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Shocked that no one helped the girl on the train

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Ohhh1 · Yesterday 14:37

14 year old SA in trained

I am being unreasonable in think people need to stop being so absorbed on their phones whilst out in public. It seems no one helpped this child whilst she was being raped because they were too busy on their phones.

Autistic girl, 14, 'sexually assaulted on train by Afghan migrants'

Baryalai Rahimi, 25, and Mirebadurahman Sadat, 29, are said to have spotted the runaway teenager at a station in rural Kent before following her onto the London-bound train on February 5.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16264873/afghan-migrants-schoolgirl-14-raping-train-toilets.html

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CakeAndEats · Today 00:17

Fluffyblackcat7 · Today 00:14

The damage that rapists and abusers do to their victims is the same wherever they abusers come from.

Racism and migration issues are red herrings. Pulling up our drawbridge isn't going to save us from our home-grown rapists and abusers, is it?

Violent pornography and the manosphere have a lot to answer for and we need to do more as a society to counter that.

We need to put more into screening and educating migrants regarding our cultural attitudes to women, violence and consent.

We need to do the same with our homegrown predatory males too. Schools have a role to play with boys, as well as Police and the courts who need to root out and come down hard on domestic abusers, flashers, upskirters and the like, take them out of our houses, off our streets and re-educate them at His Majesty's pleasure.

Let's focus on how society can remove the threat of sexual violence and how we as individuals might support someone in an abusive situation.

Won't save us from the local rapists but at least we aren't bringing anymore in.

nomas · Today 00:19

CakeAndEats · Today 00:17

Won't save us from the local rapists but at least we aren't bringing anymore in.

What will stop it?

You're not offering any solutions!

Jane3212 · Today 00:20

1dayatatime · Yesterday 18:35

Actually this is an excellent idea. The majority of illegal migrants are male because it is unsafe for females make a similar journey due to sexual assaults and rape.

Yet at the same time there are thousands of women and girls stuck in refugee camps in Jordan and Turkey and Syria.

So how about a forcible one for one return policy or even a one for two on a regulated numbers basis. This way you are providing refuge for the refugees most at risk and reducing the risk of sex crimes in the UK by male refugees with very different cultures to women's rights.

Sounds like a win win.

Yes, the problem isn't Afghan PEOPLE per se. It's Afghan MEN. Men are not the only people. Women would not be assaulting teen boys if they came over here...

I would like to help women. I also think it's worth noting a lot of the more secular and educated Afghans will have fled in prior years : the men coming now are likely to be the ones with more misogynistic attitudes. I suspect also criminals are overrepresented (rather than just being the 'average rural man') as they want to escape justice in their own country.

WeDid2 · Today 00:21

After being sexually assaulted as a child, I am one of those people who would ring the transport police if I felt something was not right. But sorry I think you are being a bit harsh. It’s normal for people to be reading a book / be on their phones during travel. The horrific sitting on the knee start of everything - for someone to notice they would have had to be in the proximity and be watching it unfold, have their spidery senses triggered and then be watching for body language of the girl to check she was not ok with it.
I have a lot of autism in my family including myself having traits - unfortunately due to social confusion our facial expressions and body language might not be obvious enough to passerbys that we are in distress.
What happened to this poor girl is horrific and changes need to be made but I don’t think you can assume the general public were aware and ignored it.
I think it might be helpful for the transport systems to better promote how people can ask other passengers for help to ask them to call the transport police and what other passengers can do if they sense another passenger needs help - and it’s socially acceptable to double check with a stranger they are ok.

CakeAndEats · Today 00:23

nomas · Today 00:19

What will stop it?

You're not offering any solutions!

Im offering at least something that means we don't have excessive sex attacks by foreigners

nomas · Today 00:23

CakeAndEats · Today 00:23

Im offering at least something that means we don't have excessive sex attacks by foreigners

And what is that?

Jane3212 · Today 00:24

Arbourimage · Yesterday 21:29

In what way is Islam worse than Christianity for women specifically?

Islam allows polygamy for one.

But my opinion is that Islam isn't uniquely bad for women. The problems are 1. It has not undergone a liberalisation process like Christianity and Judaism have, at least not in most places. 2. A lot of Muslim societies are poor and tribal. The problems in Afghanistan and places like Mirpur where the Pakistani grooming gangs came from are primarily caused by tribal/clan-based attitudes which harm women wherever they are.

Islam varies a lot. For cultural & historical reasons, SE Asian, Eastern European and Omani forms tend to be more coexisting and peaceful.

Jane3212 · Today 00:25

WeDid2 · Today 00:21

After being sexually assaulted as a child, I am one of those people who would ring the transport police if I felt something was not right. But sorry I think you are being a bit harsh. It’s normal for people to be reading a book / be on their phones during travel. The horrific sitting on the knee start of everything - for someone to notice they would have had to be in the proximity and be watching it unfold, have their spidery senses triggered and then be watching for body language of the girl to check she was not ok with it.
I have a lot of autism in my family including myself having traits - unfortunately due to social confusion our facial expressions and body language might not be obvious enough to passerbys that we are in distress.
What happened to this poor girl is horrific and changes need to be made but I don’t think you can assume the general public were aware and ignored it.
I think it might be helpful for the transport systems to better promote how people can ask other passengers for help to ask them to call the transport police and what other passengers can do if they sense another passenger needs help - and it’s socially acceptable to double check with a stranger they are ok.

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If people noticed , and especially staff, but ignored, I would judge. But a lot of ordinary commuters are busy etc and may simply not have noticed.

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