Shocked that no one helped the girl on the train

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14 year old SA in trained

I am being unreasonable in think people need to stop being so absorbed on their phones whilst out in public. It seems no one helpped this child whilst she was being raped because they were too busy on their phones.

Oh please🤣 another lefty that’s found 1 person to big up their claim against Reform!

come back when you have more than 1 case and of evidence to back up your hysteria. Like, 533 cases of rape and SA, which is what the number is of foreign national cases against women in the UK since 2024. 533 that needn’t have happened. Yes, some might’ve been her through the correct channels, lots won’t.

So she’s allowed to talk about her experiences because it fits with your narrative but I’m not allowed to say mine because it doesn’t??

We’re either allowed to talk about our own experiences or not - it’s not fair to only allow some people to talk about their experiences but when you mention your own, you’re accused of being dismissive as others.

This thread is literally about a girl who was raped on a train and no one intervened and whether that was acceptable or not - half of the posters care more about turning this into a thread about immigration or Muslims than about the poor girl raped and commuters responses - yet apparently I’m the one dismissing people’s experiences.

No, she didn't. @OneHazelBird said I can 'ALSO' share my experience.

She didn't say her experience was the only one.

It wouldn’t matter.
You would still deny it.

Exactly this!!

Even if no one was looking at their phone, it’s very unlikely that anything would have come across as odd.

She got onto the train with them and was chatting to them - so to anyone else, they all knew each other and she was ok.

The research showed that people who described themselves as Afghans accounted for 409 sex offences – or 0.39 per cent of the total – during a 15-year period.

409 offences over 15 years is not enough data to form a view on. Statisticians would laugh you of the country if you used that as your bas.e

Considering there are 200,000 sexual offences reported every year.

No, but I know a lot of Pakistani atheists/ agnostic people.

It's not 1 Reform councillor though.

20% of Reform MPs have a conviction for assault of a woman.

In what way is Islam worse than Christianity for women specifically?

But we're not doing sums here - it may not tell us whether the increase will be 2% more rapes or 20% more but it does tell us that bringing young single men into the country increases the numbers of rapes that will take place. In fact that's literally the "explanation" you've just given!

So the question is why is the safety of girls and women not as much a factor in deciding immigration rules as any rights the young men might have to come here as well? Don't women and girls have any value in your eyes? If they do, then imo anything that we know risks increasing the numbers of rapes needs to be justified by better reasons than "Well the young men wanted to come here".

A Muslim immigrant may completely misread a woman's clothing through their cultural lens. They come from a society where only specific types of women dress, what they view as provocatively in public. There's a good chance they might mistakenly assume she is sexually loose, a sex worker, or actively seeking male attention. Her presence might be seen as an invitation.

For example; I was born and raised in England. My people have lived in England and Wales for hundreds of years, although I have lived in the U.S. for near 55 years. I'm still very much an Englishwoman. I live and breathe England still. The England as I left it.

What I'm trying to say is; moving countries doesn't change the way you think and act. It doesn't change your culture.

Maybe they thought the girl on the train was 'up for it' or worthless & disposable because she was all alone, or not covering up enough in their mind. Leaflets and lectures are NOT going to change that.

Meanwhile, I'm sitting here wearing a tweed skirt, a blouse, cardigan and sensible shoes, because I grew up in the 1950's England. I've even changed this area to resemble my 'natural habitat'. Many decades ago I planted English oaks, beech, maples, etc to resemble where I came from. It's not easy as I live in a dry hot climate, so I have to irrigate.

Where and how we grew up remains with us for life, believe me.

Would you ban British white men - god knows how many, we aren’t talking small numbers - from going to abuse children, teenagers and young women in Vietnam, Thailand etc? Because surely keeping them here would mean a HUGE surge in rapes and assaults and abuse at home.

You are trying to dismiss her experience though as if it is a one off.
Thats where you are in the wrong.

Ok maybe it's not relevant that I lived opposite a mosque and I cannot be absolutely sure that a voice belongs to a muslim man but I can be 99 percent sure. It's almost gaslighting behaviour to imply that I can't recognise the accent of a Pakistani/Bangladeshi man. Do you also think that I couldn't recognise the accents of the 10 percent of British men who wanted a 'massage'?

Actually I was wrong that most of these men were Pakistani. Apparently the majority of muslims in Cambridge are Bangladeshi. But you must concede that they do have a very similar accent (to English ears anyway) and it's not relevant because 92 percent of Bangladeshis (in the UK) and 94 percent of Pakistanis are muslim.

There's also the fact that there was a shop across the road staffed by mostly Pakistani/Bangladishi men (and if you remember they are almost all muslim). They were very excited when I said I was working as a massage therapist and wanted to book. I was very naive at the time and sort of went along with it although they didn't actually book.

I'm not discussing this anymore. Look at what's happening in Sweden and look at the precautions Denmark are taking to make sure it doesn't happen there.

It's not obvious - can you name which one/s?

The current Reform UK MPs are:
Nigel Farage – Clacton (Party Leader)
Richard Tice – Boston and Skegness (Deputy Leader)
Lee Anderson – Ashfield (Party Chairman)
Sarah Pochin – Runcorn and Helsby
Danny Kruger – East Wiltshire
Robert Jenrick – Newark
Andrew Rosindell – Romford
Suella Braverman – Fareham and Waterlooville

So you are saying men from this culture should Never be allowed to walk our streets!

So how many Reform MP’s are there? Because I think there 8 so 20% of 8 is 1.6 so yeah, nowhere near the 533 foreign national rapists we have here!

But yes, 1.6 is better than 1 I guess🤣🎉

I think you've made a lot of assumptions. I don't have any issues with limiting immigration if that makes sense for the UK economy. I'm not an economist, so will leave them to debate that.

But no one is 'importing' asylum seekers into the country. That's just Tommy Robinson speak.

The UK has signed up to the ECHR and therefore is obliged to to follow its rules. You can't blame people asylum seekers for seeking asylum.

So why don't people use their time more effectively and campaign for the UK to leave the ECHR instead of making ridiculous posts that immigrants 'are raping all day and every day' (to quote a poster upthread)?

Christian countries don't use a literal interpretation of the bible for family law on divroce, inheritance etc, so even if the two religions were equally misogynistic, the political aspect of Islam makes a huge difference.

But regarding the religion, christian men can't divorce their wives just by saying "I divorce you" three times (while no equivalent exists for women to divorce their husbands) and women do not automatically inherit a smaller proportion from their father than their brothers do, for starters.

No, she didn't. She added her experience. That's allowed.

You quote me as saying men are being imported into the country. Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else.

Actually I was wrong that most of these men were Pakistani. Apparently the majority of muslims in Cambridge are Bangladeshi. But you must concede that they do have a very similar accent (to English ears anyway

So you've gone from saying you're absolutely sure that they were Pakistani to now saying they were Bangladeshi? But definitely not Indian?

You realise how ridiculous that is, right?

'Massage therapists gets enquiries about getting a massage' - what a shocker.

No, they were walking through a train. As countless people do together of all ages throughout the journey. You are just making up what you need to fit what you want to think.

That’s certainly a small list when it’s made out women are so much worse under Islam than in Christian culture.

Sorry, you're right, you didn't say import, other posters have. But 'they have to come here' seems to imply that they are being brought into the country. But they're not.