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.... to not want lunch guests pitching up at 3. Or at least not for actual lunch.

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AlteFrau · Yesterday 13:04

Original arrangement was for late lunch. The guests have a toddler who naps late morning, so I'd imagined they wouldn't turn up before 1. More likely 1.30ish. Maybe 2 at the latest.

We planned something that was easy to heat up, rather than a fiddly meal where timings would need to be exact.

I0 minutes ago we got a text saying, the toddler has only just gone for their nap, so they will turn up about 3.

My discussion with partner was that we'd eat the lunch we prepared now, freeze the stuff that the guests would have eaten, and text back saying, 'Oh you're coming for tea then. There'll be some cake.'

What would you do?

OP posts:
BugJuice · Yesterday 21:34

Luckystarss · Yesterday 21:26

I think a lot of posters are focusing on whether 3pm is a reasonable time for lunch with a toddler, but I don't think that's really the issue here. The actual conflict seems to be between two different approaches to family life…One side values a planned sit-down family meal at a certain time, the other operates much more flexibly around the child's schedule and sees timings as more of a rough guide.
What stood out to me was that the OP repeatedly mentions this relative being a poor timekeeper even before becoming a parent. That suggests the toddler is more of a trigger than the cause. The frustration feels cumulative, with the late arrival being folded into an existing narrative of "they never really consider other people's plans"…
There's also quite a lot in the post about the husband's memories of traditional family lunches, and his disappointment when things don't happen that way. To me that makes it less about the actual meal and more about a family gathering that isn't matching the picture he has in his head. The lunch becomes symbolic of a wider change in family culture and expectations, which is why the reaction seems bigger than a couple of hours delay.
For that reason I don't think the OP is really asking for practical advice about what to serve at 3pm/4pm or later. That problem was already solved by the time she posted. It reads more like a request for validation that her and her husband's disappointment is understandable, alongside a fairly deliberate character sketch of the relatives as unreliable and a bit self-focused. Whether that's fair or not is another matter, but thats the impression I got reading it.

Is there a reason you used AI for this reply?

lemondrivelcake · Yesterday 21:37

Chickpeacurrywithrice · Yesterday 19:16

So I suppose these parents that are offered a meal at no set time, only a late lunch, think that they’re being invited by reasonable and flexible people. So they accept.

Rather than people like yourself, that have a rigid and unforgiving schedule and get angry when it’s not adhered to and they’d decline!

No I wouldn’t dance to your tune anymore than you’d dance to a toddlers.

OP is obviously in your camp but never voiced it.

That's an awful lot of assumptions you've made about me based on a single post. And incorrect ones at that. I do think more clarity was needed about arrangements, but I also think the toddler parents should have bowed out when they realised things weren't going to plan, not assumed their hosts would hang round waiting for them. Nothing to do with being 'rigid and unforgiving' or 'getting angry' (and the latter is a bit rich given the tone of your posts on this thread).

Is there any particular reason why this thread is touching a nerve for you? You do seem very worked up about it.

Mumtobabyhavoc · Yesterday 21:41

thisismeithinkorisit · Yesterday 21:24

how old are the kids? up before 6 and bed by 10 is a long day for kids

With nothing to eat or drink in beyween meals? 🤔

Mumtobabyhavoc · Yesterday 21:44

MandemChickenShop · Yesterday 19:47

nope, more condescending.

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · Yesterday 22:47

What happened in the end OP?

UnintentionalArcher · Yesterday 22:47

AlteFrau · Yesterday 13:04

Original arrangement was for late lunch. The guests have a toddler who naps late morning, so I'd imagined they wouldn't turn up before 1. More likely 1.30ish. Maybe 2 at the latest.

We planned something that was easy to heat up, rather than a fiddly meal where timings would need to be exact.

I0 minutes ago we got a text saying, the toddler has only just gone for their nap, so they will turn up about 3.

My discussion with partner was that we'd eat the lunch we prepared now, freeze the stuff that the guests would have eaten, and text back saying, 'Oh you're coming for tea then. There'll be some cake.'

What would you do?

I wouldn’t send a passive aggressive text like that. It’s pretty common to think of lunch as 1 or 1:30pm (if I get to it before 2pm most days I think I’m doing pretty well). I’d think of 3pm as a late lunch. Whatever time lunch is in your mind, you didn’t specify a time or even a time window.

Maybe your relative thought they were being polite in texting you to confirm a time once their toddler had started napping, especially as you hadn’t asked them to come at a particular time. Our baby is the same and naps different times each day. Would you have preferred they’d given you a time when they knew they couldn’t be certain and then gone back on it? Perhaps they were glad of what they perceived to be your flexibility.

Can I ask what food it was that meant it needed freezing and wouldn’t have kept for another hour?

Tiredhappymum · Yesterday 22:48

Diddledeedo · Yesterday 13:29

Crikey you sound put upon and inhospitable as inflexible. Havea snack and eat later - freezing her food is rude and churlish

Agree, you sound really inhospitable OP and I could tell by your tone it was your in laws. Just be a bit flexible and understanding of them and their PFB. So ungracious to tell them “see you for cake” and freeze their food. They’re guests in your home and they’re your family, surely. I’d never treat people like this.

BarbaraE · Yesterday 23:16

I look after my grandson once a week while my daughter is at work ,nap times tend to be late morning but it can vary if your hungry I would just have a snack that's something I have to do sometimes better than a really tired baby

Chickpeacurrywithrice · Yesterday 23:54

Ligesani · Yesterday 21:33

Yes, but they haven't actually arrived at 3, they arrived maybe 4 if not a bit later.

Yes but OP made the post, as per the title as well whinging about them turns ng up at 3. Decisions being made about freezing their part of lunch etc. That’s what the post started about.

Goditsmemargaret · Today 00:19

This is a ridiculous overreaction from you

IndigoBluey · Today 00:44

BugJuice · Yesterday 21:34

Is there a reason you used AI for this reply?

Well said! This is what happened with an ancient Legal site called rollonfriday. AI bots farming posters details and there were outings of lawyers who thought they were posting anonymously

10cupsofcoffeeplease · Today 06:57

BigSuse · Yesterday 20:23

Ugh scheduled nap people are the worst, I just kept mine awake or took them for a ride in the car if I really needed them to sleep but I never let their naps dictate what we did.

@BigSuse out of curiosity, what was your toddler like after a 30 minute car nap vs 2 hour crib nap? For us, this is the difference between a difficult toddler that tantrums over small shit vs a happy toddler that will actually SIT for an adult lunch, smile at everyone, play nicely, and have zero tantrums.

We do end up having to do ocasional car/pram naps but the result is an annoying afternoon where we have to micromanage him and we count down until bedtime. DS is 2.5.

Just putting it in context for you, it's not about us being boring shits, it's managing an overtired toddler that could ruin the afternoon for everyone.

Then again, I would decline an invitation for a 1pm lunch or specify we cannot do lunch before 3pm rather than text on the day.

Packofsix · Today 08:11

3pm is a late lunch. Not tea.

Packofsix · Today 08:13

AlteFrau · Yesterday 13:17

Well, the guests still in the 'perfect first baby' stage with a toddler that tends to wake early but nap for an hour at around 11.30. So if we'd said 1, we' d have got into this long, tedious conversation about 'Oh we don't know when toddler will go down for their nap, so it might be 1.30.'

It is my husband's side of the family and he was very keen for there to be a 'proper family meal.' He'd been cooking since 11, so the rhythm of the day was based around the idea that we'd be likely to eat at 1.30 or 2.

A bit of flexibility fine - but I think it's eating too far into the afternoon for lunch esp. at this time of the year, when it's getting dark at 4.

Maybe if it was some really big Christmas lunch thing, where there had been lots of nibbles, snacks etc late morning, but not otherwise.

No chance for walking to the park, playing in the garden etc.

Not the end of the world, but I've been sleeping really badly lately and often fade by mid-afternoon. Not the easiest time for me to exude sociability.

Shall let husband deal with the guests for the most part, I think.

1.30 is normal lunch time. Not late at all.

HappyViewer · Today 08:29

Packofsix · Today 08:11

3pm is a late lunch. Not tea.

I think it’s afternoon tea time.

Piche · Today 08:33

It can be the time of either a late lunch, or an afternoon tea, surely 😁

HappyViewer · Today 08:34

Piche · Today 08:33

It can be the time of either a late lunch, or an afternoon tea, surely 😁

Or an early tea then.

EvieBB · Today 08:45

sprigatito · Yesterday 13:12

If you planned something that’s easy to heat up, then why is delaying a couple of hours a problem? Just have a snack now and heat up the lunch when your guests arrive. And next time give them a time, and make it clear that they mustn’t be late, because your spoilt toddler of a husband will go to pieces if he has to wait for his numnums.

This

TheCoralDog · Today 09:17

way too rigid. it's the weekend! give your children some lunch at their normal time, obviously, but just hold on and have lunch with your guests! who cares if it's later than you'd usually eat! you aren't baby, you can eat your lunch whenever. when i'm busy with work or kids i sometimes don't eat lunch till flippin 4pm! or sometimes not at all if im flat out hectic! hasn't harmed me!

Daftypants · Today 09:31

Everyone sounds hard work 🙄 I’d have said to them “ oh will you still want lunch here at that time or will you eat when the little one is asleep and just have tea and cake here ? What would you like to do ? “
If they still wanted lunch , I’d have a decent snack to keep me going then serve up the lunch when they eventually arrived .
i had something similar with a wife of my husband’s work colleague.
She had their first child ,who was a very easy going older baby .
I invited her to come for lunch as she was going to pick up some useful baby things from us .
She showed up so late that I had to do food immediately have a quick chat then apologise and leave to pick all my kids up from their schools and nursery ( mine were aged 4 , 7 and 12 at that point )

Blondeshavemorefun · Today 09:32

They texted at almost 1 to say just going to bed and won’t be around till 3 ish

but worse they then reply 3.45 and say coming round now

that’s not lunchtime to me

but this thread shows that many have different meaning to late lunch . Def state a time next time

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