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AIBU to feel so absolutely mortified

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DoraSpenlow · Yesterday 16:46

Just need to get this off my chest as I have no-one to talk to.Went for lunch today at our local community cafe. On the table next to us (there were no other tables before anyone says we could have moved) there was a young woman and a boy aged about 12 playing cards. The boy was being very loud. From his behaviour I automatically assumed autism. They finished the game and started another which seemed to involve slamming plastic discs down on the table. I admit it was quite irritating.

I could see DH was getting annoyed and as I went up to the counter to order dessert I whispered that yes it was annoying but please don't say anything. But no, he just had to, and I heard him say, excuse me but do you think you could keep the noise down a little, we can't hear our conversation. My heart sank. The boy ran off and locked himself in the toilet and everyone was looking at DH as if he was the worst man on earth.

He really is the kindest, gentlest man. Always there to help a mum getting a pushchair up steps or to offer an elderly person a steadying arm. In his defence he was not at his.most patient as we have had an awful few days. He has been undergoing tests for prostate cancer, his best friend has been dying and we heard this morning that he had died.

Since being home I have had a real go and he said he was sorry he didn't realise the boy's issue and it was not his intention to upset anyone. He just wanted a nice lunch with his wife after a crap few days and to relax a bit.

I am down to do a voluntary shift at the cafe tomorrow.morning and I just feel too embarrassed to go. Should I cancel?

OP posts:
Presseddaisy · Yesterday 20:45

I understand why you were mortified as it was in a community cafe and the child was very likely disabled. Even so your husband can be forgiven as was very upset and stressed. Don't cancel your shift.

CarbonAtom · Yesterday 20:49

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 20:44

True, but sometimes they csnt help it and they need space to learn. OPs husband was doing what men do, policing a woman's behaviour whilst she was out with her child in a way that he wouldn't if she was with a man

This isn't a gender issue. I've witnessed plenty of women (usually older) raise similar issues.
I agree with the rest of your post though. Exposure and experience in navigating the situation is important. Part of that navigation is being politely spoken to

ToKittyornottoKitty · Yesterday 20:50

Polipocket60 · Yesterday 20:39

OP has since updated. Her DH was stressed, OP clearly felt on edge too. DH went against OP and asked him not to say anything and HE DID. She volenteers at this place so assuming it has regulars. "Noise level" differs to each person but you are in public. As an adult you should have the skill to regulate yourself because DH is expecting that from a child! at the same time. I dont know... I just think its entitled to go to a cafe and expect peace and quiet it is not a library. Kindness works BOTH ways. The child was having fun. My own child is noisy at times at home (he genuinely doesnt realise at times) and I will ask him to keep it down. I would not do this to someone else's child in public.

My sister was out in a supermarket and her DD was having a tantrum. An austic child asked his mum why her DD was being so noisy. Anyway the mum was lovely as my sister burst into tears... she stayed with my sister and chatted and explained that her Son has additional needs.

Compassion works both ways.

The update didn’t change that OP going home and having a ‘real go’ at her grieving DH who was already feeling bad was the wrong thing to do. However they’ve resolved it now and hopefully things will go ok for them over the next few days 🤞

HylianShroom · Yesterday 20:52

I work with autistic children and often have to tell them to be quieter because they all have aversion to loud noises so they dysregulate each other by being loud. They often don’t do it on purpose of course so that’s why I direct them with kindness and no shaming.

Your husband did nothing wrong.

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 20:52

JustGoogleIt15 · Yesterday 18:46

Imo if someone cannot keep the noise down in a public place, they should not be in the public place

…and yet if you hold that view ..the community cafe doesn't want you ..a community cafe is welcoming to all and would ask you to leave if you expressed that view

OsfameronTanamoril · Yesterday 20:53

HylianShroom · Yesterday 20:52

I work with autistic children and often have to tell them to be quieter because they all have aversion to loud noises so they dysregulate each other by being loud. They often don’t do it on purpose of course so that’s why I direct them with kindness and no shaming.

Your husband did nothing wrong.

Some common sense at last.

Anyahyacinth · Yesterday 20:54

BugJuice · Yesterday 19:29

For every person that you deem to be someone using autism as a ‘get out of jail free card’, there are the same number of us who are so exhausted with the judgement from others that we are reluctant to leave the house with our profoundly autistic children. We’ve had so much judgement that we only leave the house for medical appointments and therapies now.

Go to communities cafes they are for you and yours 💐💐💐🫶

Polipocket60 · Yesterday 20:58

ToKittyornottoKitty · Yesterday 20:50

The update didn’t change that OP going home and having a ‘real go’ at her grieving DH who was already feeling bad was the wrong thing to do. However they’ve resolved it now and hopefully things will go ok for them over the next few days 🤞

That cant be changed the same way it cant that her DH ignored her feelings before he too was "politely asked not to say anything". It works both ways 🤷 so let's not be one sided here. She felt embarrassed and he was unable to regulate his own emotions. Yet wanted that from a child. How can you not see the hypocrisy here? Despite it being a 1 off from her DH granted. I just think that's no excuse to bypass OPs feelings. She now has to go to a shift at this cafe. Id be annoyed too with DH.

Its just a simple case as both of them were on edge. Glad its sorted OP.

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:06

TonTonMacoute · Yesterday 18:33

This is sheer hyperbole.

Are you saying that disabled children are incapable of learning that they should try and moderate some behaviour when they’re in public out of respect for others?

Some of them cant help it. If you dont like it, go home.

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:08

Fernsarethebestplants · Yesterday 18:21

I visit cafes probably three times a week. I see noisy toddlers or too loud school kids after 3.3pm all the time. I've never seen anyone asking them to be quiet or take them out, ever. Mumsnetters might wish they went round policing small children and disabled teens, but I bet they don't. People who are fed up usually huff and roll their eyes. Quite funnily, the last time I saw a table of older people complaining about three young children taken out by their mum on her own, probably a single mum, the complainers were more audible than the children. They didn't complain to her either; they moaned loudly so everyone else could hear. My daughter and I chuckled over this.

Going into cafes calls for tolerance, the OP's husband was feeling sensitive, he didn't do anything terrible, and I'd give him a hug OP.

And the disabled child he made hide in a loo.

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:09

Puffalicious · Yesterday 18:07

Strong agree.

DS3 is autistic, & whilst not loud, can exhibit silly behaviour akin to a much younger child. The fact he's 14 & the height of his dad means so many people STARE. It's so rude, as if he's not 'allowed' to take up space/ be seen. It makes me so sad.

The ableism is appalling.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · Yesterday 21:09

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:08

And the disabled child he made hide in a loo.

Ffs he didn’t make him hide in a loo.

ToKittyornottoKitty · Yesterday 21:09

Polipocket60 · Yesterday 20:58

That cant be changed the same way it cant that her DH ignored her feelings before he too was "politely asked not to say anything". It works both ways 🤷 so let's not be one sided here. She felt embarrassed and he was unable to regulate his own emotions. Yet wanted that from a child. How can you not see the hypocrisy here? Despite it being a 1 off from her DH granted. I just think that's no excuse to bypass OPs feelings. She now has to go to a shift at this cafe. Id be annoyed too with DH.

Its just a simple case as both of them were on edge. Glad its sorted OP.

He politely asked the family, she was unkind to her DH. There’s a difference. Your point was that OP did nothing wrong, and actually she did, so if anyone is being a bit one sided it’s you really. Both of them made a mistake today, and both failed to regulate their own emotions, quite understandable given the stress they are under though.

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:10

MidnightMeltdown · Yesterday 18:10

Yes, allow. She was playing cards with him and therefore clearly encouraging the behaviour. And yes, I would also have said something if the dad had been there!

Stop trying to make this about sexism. Parents have a responsibility to control their kids and ensure that they aren’t causing a nuisance to other people, who have the right to enjoy the cafe experience that they are paying for. Whether or not they have a disability is totally irrelevant.

The boy was enjoying the cafe. The husband should have minded his business but instead upset a disabled child. What a peach.

JenRummy · Yesterday 21:11

DahliaDelights · Yesterday 16:49

He has been undergoing tests for prostate cancer, his best friend has been dying and we heard this morning that he had died.

I'm sorry, but the young lad's peace and happiness isnt more important than that of your husband. He's having a terrible time and you're more worried about a stranger in a cafe?

This.

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:12

CarbonAtom · Yesterday 20:49

This isn't a gender issue. I've witnessed plenty of women (usually older) raise similar issues.
I agree with the rest of your post though. Exposure and experience in navigating the situation is important. Part of that navigation is being politely spoken to

Ive had it from women too. But never with my husband and my child can be a nightmare. All gets tolerated when theres a 6 foot male there. Funny that.

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:13

ExtraHotDoubleShot · Yesterday 21:09

Ffs he didn’t make him hide in a loo.

Yes he did. He was asked not to but still had to say something to the disabled person that OP was irritated by.

Polipocket60 · Yesterday 21:15

ToKittyornottoKitty · Yesterday 21:09

He politely asked the family, she was unkind to her DH. There’s a difference. Your point was that OP did nothing wrong, and actually she did, so if anyone is being a bit one sided it’s you really. Both of them made a mistake today, and both failed to regulate their own emotions, quite understandable given the stress they are under though.

No. She wasn't unkind. I am not one sided. I have already said it was a 1 off on DHs part. However I just do not agree with you. Where have you considered OPs feelings? She has to work here FGS. Kids are noisy in general furthermore I personally wouldn't demand anybodys kids in public to be quiet. Would I think it in my head? Yes but to actually voice it. No!

Its you who is UNable to read the full situation here. OP specifically asked her DH not to say ANYTHING...... he ignored this. Why? He could of left? It actually sounds like this isn't about the noise. Sometimes even with your own kids noise can make you snappy if you already feel stressed in general. YOU cant seem to grasp this is a public space.

Polipocket60 · Yesterday 21:18

BiteSizeByzantine · Yesterday 21:13

Yes he did. He was asked not to but still had to say something to the disabled person that OP was irritated by.

Exactly lack of respect for OP. Very few posters want to address this part though.

HylianShroom · Yesterday 21:23

OsfameronTanamoril · Yesterday 20:53

Some common sense at last.

Ha!

I mean, for all we know there were other autistic children or adults also in the cafe, becoming overwhelmed by the loudness of the game but silently masking their internal meltdown.

JudgeJ · Yesterday 21:24

DoraSpenlow · Yesterday 16:54

I felt embarrassed that everyone else was looking at him as if he had been going round kicking puppies.

Whereas in reality they were saying in their heads, Good on you!

Mapletree1985 · Yesterday 21:25

Your DH made a perfectly reasonable request. Only in crazy town would he be considered a bad guy. I don't think we need to go through life tiptoeing around anti-social behavior. The child may have have autism, but he'll be happier in life if he can gradually learn to show a little awareness of others.

OsfameronTanamoril · Yesterday 21:27

Mapletree1985 · Yesterday 21:25

Your DH made a perfectly reasonable request. Only in crazy town would he be considered a bad guy. I don't think we need to go through life tiptoeing around anti-social behavior. The child may have have autism, but he'll be happier in life if he can gradually learn to show a little awareness of others.

MN is crazy town these days. Everything is OTT.

OsfameronTanamoril · Yesterday 21:28

HylianShroom · Yesterday 21:23

Ha!

I mean, for all we know there were other autistic children or adults also in the cafe, becoming overwhelmed by the loudness of the game but silently masking their internal meltdown.

Very likely to be, I should think.

Metalmotha · Yesterday 21:28

Puffalicious · Yesterday 20:27

Exactly. And all autism is not the same: it seems that some folk meet one autistic person & think every other autistic person is the same, there are levels of understanding.

Such intolerance on this thread.

where was the mums tolerance for other peoples needs?

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