To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

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Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

You keep saying it’s designed to fail them but we’ve never had so much ND awareness. Hall passes; sensory rooms; fidget toys: 121s; part time timetables… none of this existed when I was at school. They seem much better equipped now and make far more allowances for kids yet their MH is worse than ever?

Ever asked why we need these? It’s just a plaster. I said up thread that class sizes are way larger. The curriculum has changed - I now need GCSE classes to learn texts off by heart but 20 years ago we had coursework. Stop comparing!

say a A surgeon is in surgery and therefore can not collect their child? What then?

it’s the surgeons responsibility to sort out yes but so what? In the moment they’re still not coming. I’m sure most rare occasions the child is rushed to hospital they’re available, but this time they’re not.

so what happens? Nothing. The child goes to hospital gets treated, parent arrives as soon as they are able

no one is asking a teacher to go along btw, not sure where you got that from.

Actual specialist provision probably existed when you were in school, but it doesn’t now. Handing a kid a fidget toy isn’t quite on the same level is it.

This happened with my DD. She went to a small rural primary with lovely staff and pupils. No problems at all. The head was great and she had an EHCP and extra help. Sadly,because she has learning disabilities she was unable to go to mainstream secondary so got a place at a special school. She absolutely hated it. She struggled massively with other children's meltdowns and complex disabilities and ended up refusing to go to school.

She has left now but still refers to it as hell. It was impossible to find a suitable place for her as she fell between two stools but the negative impact it had on her mental health is still affecting her now.

SEN children can be just as badly affected by disruptive behaviour as NT children. Sadly this is only going to get worse as the government are very focused on inclusion which is good in principle but in practice can often have the opposite effect.

I really don't know the answer but I certainly don't think it is fining parents and making them attend online courses.

I'm so sorry for your experience. It's awful. I'm genuinely concerned about what will happen when we reach year 7. It doesn't feel like there is a solution.

I don’t know that inclusion is good in principle really; it’s a neat PR phrase for saving money by not giving all children the education they are entitled to and capable of achieving.

It’s warehousing children until they’re of age to leave; then we moan about NEETS and people claiming benefits.

both of mine ND 🤷‍♀️

but really we need extra help for ND, there are some kids that shouldn’t be in mainstream. The govt have truly fucked up there.

if you’re causing that much disruption in a class you should not be there.

there was a boy in my sons class who was ASD and used to shriek throughout the day. He was deeply unhappy there and it was really disruptive to the rest of the class.

The parents both had to work and had nowhere else to put their child. I can see they had no other options but one child’s needs disrupting 29 others?

Ermmm....no. I had three and their father was deeply unpleasant. 2 caused me no issues whatsoever. The other one was a nightmare. Only stopped when there were immediate, life changing consequences. They were all parented the same but the trouble some one had issues with dad. I worked as a teacher - not in place to drop and run except in dire emergency. Being forced to turn up or else would have lost me my job. That would have made no difference to behaviour driven by sn absent father and his dreadful opinions.

If you read the quote history- the Previous Poster said she and her DH are not contactable during school hours at all and they have made no back up arrangements. The school can therefore never contact them if their child is injured or unwell or has hurt someone else. I was saying this isn’t acceptable- they need an emergency contact and it is their responsibility as parents to sort that out.

a one off situation of a parent not being able to immediately get to their child is not the same.

a teacher or other member of staff would accompany a scared child in an ambulance, even if not asked to. Most school staff care too much about their pupils to leave them in an ambulance and going to hospital all on their own.

This is unhinged

Well how the fuck any of this is parents' fault???

Yes but that’s the same thing isn’t it? Some jobs aren’t contactable.

if they both do the same job, or it’s a single parent, than that’s that. What can the school of anyone else expect? They magic up an non existent grandma next door?

Yes - but teachers are meant to TEACH. Not to exclude children who are short of ideal standard.

Your post makes no sense. Teachers doing their job and treating all the children equally has nothing to do with any of it.

This just hasn’t been thought through at all.

Many parents would be unable to do this on a regular basis without losing their livelihood. I work from home so I could pick my DD up in this scenario but if I did this twice in the space of a month I would get fired. I am the sole breadwinner for my child.

How in God’s name would removing the main source of income from a family “motivate” a parent or a child?

Mandatory parenting classes should be legal requirements from pregnancy onwards! I’m a teacher and my classes are full of children who have been poorly parented, mostly by an iPad.
They can’t converse because they have spent years prior to school being spoken to mainly in directional or corrective language, they don’t know how to turn take because no one has ever played a simple game with them, they can’t listen to a story because no one has ever read to them, etc. I’ve been teaching 13 years and the downturn in parenting skills and the impact of screen use is hugely impacting classroom skills and behaviours. And before anyone starts, I’ve taught neurodiverse children. 80% of my class are not neurodiverse. They are being raised by people who need parenting and child development classes.

What if you’re in the navy and On a submarine and your child’s other parent is responsible for getting them to school.? Please can you surface the sub and send a boat. Milk tray man anyone?

I was responding to the point that teachers, should be able to teach children how to behave, and engage them in learning. My point being it’s not that straight forward. I was also responding to the point that teachers are not doing their best for children. I was trying to explain how difficult teaching is now days.

Where do you get off saying the state need to mandate how we parent our children?

if screen are that damaging why doesn’t the state put laws and protections in around them?!

I was raised to learn. To question and test authority within the boundaries I had/have.

I give respect where it's due and I teach my children how to do the same.

That’s the parents responsibility to sort, not schools. They can’t expect to have an ill or injured child sit at school for 6 hours because they can’t answer their phone. It’s not for me to find the answers. I have sorted things for my kids. If you have chosen a job where you can’t get to a phone, it’s your responsibility to put something in place before your child starts school.

You don’t need to find the answers. You just need to accept the parents won’t be there. What else can you do?

Well we’ve tried it with no intervention and it’s not working.

There aren’t laws yet (it’s hopefully going that way, thank God!) because as stated by those who worked on the invention of iPads, iPhones, etc, it never occurred to them that parents would give their children an adult device. They were wrong.

So the government are expected to design and fund ongoing parenting classes for every parent before legislating against screens?!

what are you frightened of Apple or something? Why would you even think of the insane idea of parenting classes before legislation against the devices?