To think the government need to make disruptive pupil behaviour the parents' problem not the school's?

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Low level and more serious disruptive behaviour is having a serious impact on children's education and teachers' health and wellbeing.
I propose a very, very consistent system of mini -exclusions whereby for every instance of low level disruptive behaviour (eg talking when they are not supposed to be talking )
The following procedure applies

1)the child has 3 chances a day.one initial warning One final warning and on the third occasion the child is sent to the office and the parents sre summoned.
2) The parent must be at the school within 60 minutes of the call
3) From the time the child leaves the school they are not allowed back until both
a) a full 24 (not counting weekends) has elapsed.
AND
b) the parent has completed an hour long very interactive virtual parenting course.Tbis happens every time the child receives a mini exclusion

If the parent fails to present themselves at tge school within the 60minutes this is treated as child abandonment and an escalating series of fines imposed, followed eventually by prosecution
If the course isnt done in time for the child go return to school after the 24 hour mini exclusion, then this is treated as unauthorised absence.
In cases of hitting ,swearing. Spitting etc no chances are given.
The parents and their employers are going to getboretty sick of this pretty quickly and sort their kids out.

They aren’t afraid to expel for constant poor behaviour but I’ve known it happen once in the 6 years I’ve taught there. On the other hand, they took 3 children in September who had been expelled from state schools - all are doing well now. The difference is that they don’t have other children egging them on.

My brother has a child with PDA. Him and his wife are anaesthetists. No, they’re not coming to pick him up

Apologies for double post - iphone 8 and multiple MN ads!

And what we are saying is the solution is raise the money to increase the specialist placements. It sure as hell isn’t to chuck the violent, disruptive kids into mainstream and ruin education for everyone.

But every child has to have an emergency contact back up. If your child became seriously ill at school you couldn’t just say oh sorry my phone is off all day. You have to have someone who could be an emergency contact - the school would have to have that. If not you, someone else.

But the op is only for summoning à parent.

No, there is just DH and I. We have no family - this isn’t unusual. You’re privileged if you do.

What if your child had a severe asthma attack or anaphylactic shock? Would you just leave your phone off and hope they don’t deteriorate too far before the end of the day when you turn your phone on and rush to the hospital? I hate to sound judgy but to have no way whatsoever of being contacted sounds like poor parenting.

This all sounds very draconian and not very grounded in reality. What about parents who work more than an hour away or can’t just leave work at the drop of a hat? Claiming abandonment after an hour of being called to pick up outside of usual pick up times is extremely excessive and a huge waste of time for the services involved in making that call. I think expecting parents to do an online course and having sanctions for not doing it within a specified time will do nothing but breed resentment between parents and the school and make them feel patronised and like they too are students at the school who are being punished. Especially if they are having to go over the same material over and over.

It may well make some parents step up in their parenting but others might turn to abusive methods to get their dc to conform, whether it’s through desperation and are worried about losing their job, or because that’s just how they go about things anyway. Either way that’s not a good outcome, even if it does result in better behaviour at school.

Is a parent losing their job because their dc dicks about at school a good outcome? Is it likely to result in a positive life trajectory for that family? Not if they’re plunged into a life of poverty and benefits it’s not. Have you seen the job market right now? It’s not like many people getting fired are going to be able to walk into another one so easily, especially when you have to explain the reason why you got fired to potential employers, many would run a mile.

Heavy handed approaches like this aren’t the answer. They sound great on paper but the reality is there would be too much of a negative knock on effect on society to even contemplate enforcing something like this. Unless you think a rise in unemployment, a rise in benefit claimants, a rise in unnecessary safeguarding referrals, a rise in child abuse and parent-school relations becoming even more strained is a positive thing to bring to society.

The immediate medical treatment is taken care of by the school. Whether the parent is there makes no difference to that.

what if they’re a barrister in court, a surgeon in surgery, a police officer interviewing? There are loads of jobs you are out of contact all shift

Agree with you @DrNeededInInflatorRoomapart from it looks great on paper.

It looks fucking stupid on paper.

Sending so much support and respect to you! I get it. As a mother of an ND child who it sounds like presents very differently from your son, we get it and we never judge. There's a boy in her year 4 class who gets dysregulated and lashes out. She comes home often feeling very cross as she seems to see what provokes the dysregulation in him. I often wonder how she can see him not coping and the tension building yet the teachers can't. But then I appreciate the teachers are watching 31 children and that is really the problem! It is impossible to support 31 children between one teacher and a TA (sometimes).

Our problem is getting our highly anxious child in after her EHCP hasn't been met at school, resulting in incidents where she has felt unsafe. She then is scared to go in so refuses. It then takes time to get her in - time that the school don't really have but if someone tries to rush her it makes it worse. It we let them physically take her from us she feels more unsafe and eventually refuses to get in the car so it isn't a solution! I feel like I'm constantly emailing school and not getting responses, then convince myself they are going to report me to social services because we can't get her in and we won't let them physically make her.

DD has fits. She’s been taken to hospital before I’ve picked up a message. I used to feel guilty when she was a primary aged child but I’ve come to realise my family unit isn’t unique so judge away. Anyway, this issue a discussion about child behaviour in schools.

Yes and ho

I’d accept that. Brought my kids up to respect authority. There was a disruptive minority in all their classes that didn’t though. And that minority then egged on a larger part of the class and so on. Teachers need to be able to teach.

Mine would be fine and I’d not be called to the school.

There are so many parents protesting on here it makes me wonder what sort of standards they have?

Why is it so hard for your child to go to school and follow instructions?

Because of their disabilities.

That is the parents responsibility to sort and not the schools. Schools are not childcare. If a staff member could be spared, yes they could go in an ambulance to a hospital but the hospital may need important family history or the child may be discharged at 11am and need to go home, the school may not have the ratios to release a member of staff all day etc. Your child could also become poorly- develop a sickness bug for example and could not be expected to sit and throw up all day in school while being nursed by a teacher who has a whole class to teach. I appreciate some jobs make it difficult but that is no one else’s problem but the parents to figure out. It’s part of parenting, I’m afraid. You know your job when you have your child.

I know the OP didn’t mention medical care but I was arguing that ‘I’m in work’ doesn’t mean you can say you can’t collect your kid for the whole day for a significant reason such as medical or safeguarding emergency

Please don’t use “we” when this is your view. I’m all for increasing funding for specialist places when this is in their best interest, but it’s also to boost support and training in mainstream, support teachers, update the curriculum so that it suits everyone’s learning, increase resources. I’m not for segregating children unnecessarily and “chucking” the children you seem to dislike so much anywhere.

your language is unkind and misses so much context.

I’m a teacher and want to be able teach. I’m a parent who wishes their nearly teenager could cope with a full day at school.

The Ops idea would be interesting for you...who will be teaching her child while the teachers of ND kids have to run off to collect their children or face a fine! 🙈

Or it could mean the class doesn’t have a teacher at all if they have had to leave to collect their own DC.

It’s called a disability. Perhaps you have heard of them?

Many parents would love their DC to have a special school placement or, where provision made in a school/college would be inappropriate, EOTAS/EOTIS/C. Sadly, many have to fight for that and it takes time. The wait for Tribunal is long. Also, large parts of society object to spending many on more expensive placements and many object to EOTAS/EOTIS packages. The SEND reforms are only going to force more into mainstream.

My child was raised to respect authority. He also has complex needs so sometimes he struggles in school even more so before his current very good package was put in place to meet needs.

I am a TA who has been bit and hit by children in the past and I can 100% say that the reason for that happening was nothing to do with the parents, or with anything I did wrong but because the children were victim to a system designed to fail them

To be honest I agree, was just trying to humour those who support it😅