What would the Left call the Right, if the small boat people were white?

[Blondiebeachbabe]

I'll start by saying, I am very anti open boarders, and I am horrified that so many illegal immigrants are arriving every day. But for me, it has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour, it is more to do with :

ONE) They have no documentation, and we have no idea if they have criminal backgrounds

TWO) They tend to come from cultures where women are not respected

THREE) They often come from places where rape is not a crime

FOUR) They cannot work, and it is costing Millions to house, feed and clothe them

FIVE) We are granting asylum to some people who should never get it - like the Hamas bodyguard we heard of yesterday

Lots of valid reasons I feel, however, for me, it has nothing to do with skin colour. If I had to be locked in a room overnight with a white man from a backward culture, or a black man from the UK, I would choose the latter, every single time.

It isn't colour, it's culture

But I see that people on the Far Left just scream "Racist" to anyone who opposes illegal immigration. What would they scream, if all the small boats were full of white men? And would people still march for England?

The context in which you said it was comparative -- risibly so.

Thank you. It will be interesting to see what the data show once these are available.

I don't suppose it will be any time soon, and, while there will inevitably be a small increase, I don't suppose it will be significant for all the reasons stated already.

In this country, a woman is far more likely to be attacked by someone she knows, and / or a protestor at an anti immigration protest than they are an actual immigrant.

there are several studies referred to including the migration observatory's own

The other studies in the table only use data from 2002 - 2010, or data for EEA migrants 2003 - 2017. 'The available studies are few and now quite old (Table 1).'
There is no specific focus on sex offences in the table studies, only two broad categories: violent crime and property crime. However, Figure 5 in your link shows that foreign nationals are underrepresented when it comes to convictions for violence against the person (9.2% 2024) and overrepresented when it comes to convictions for sex offences (15.4% 2024).

If you read the article I linked to, the majority of incarcerated men who are not British nationals are actually not Afghan at all.

Your link does make a reference to Afghan nationals;

In general, convictions in 2021 tended to be lower among citizens of higher-income regions and higher among citizens of lower-income ones. Among the 50 largest individual nationalities, some were underrepresented in the [general] convictions data, including Indians, Pakistanis, French, and Chinese. Others were overrepresented, such as Albanians, Iraqis, and Afghans.

Note that these figures are for non-citizens only, and do not include naturalised citizens or UK-born ethnic minorities. For example, the Census indicated that, as of March 2021, the majority of people born in Afghanistan had become UK citizens.

Yes, it does, but if you read further, the majority of incarcerated males are Polish and Irish.

If you are hell bent on finding evidence that supports your assumptions, you will, but it is not the danger you think it is.

Dickheads probably

I think, though, that the far right wouldn’t be as upset about the boats if the occupants were white - I think that’s why people call them racist.

I am not saying that anyone and everyone should be allowed to come to the Uk, but yelling “stop the boats!” is an over simplified response to a problem with complex causes that requires a complex response.

People need to discuss these things rationally, not just come up with slogans or turn up at ports etc in balaclavas.

Wow this thread has all the rascist dog whistles.

No it isn't.

Do you think committing a crime while you are having an asylum claim processed is respectful to the host country?

The majority per capita or the absolute majority?
Or do you not even know what the difference is?

The absolute majority.

And yes I do know what it means. Clearly you don't to use the term in this context.

That’s literally the point - the people fleeing Afghanistan are as much the Taliban as ordinary Brits were/are ‘the British Imperial Project’. And yet everyone here is banging on as if every asylum seeker is a taliban leader.

It’s not about ‘compensation’, understanding that history is how we understand what’s going on in the present, on both sides. If one actually wants to understand rather than just froth over popular media narratives built on emotion rather than evidence…

and I won’t even get into what you mean by ‘natives’ in historical or contemporary context 😅

Literally half this thread is people arguing that certain cultures aren’t fit to be in the UK mixing with us! Describing some cultures as more ‘civilised’ than others!

it’s not about feeling guilty it’s about understanding why we’re all in the place we’re in. I personally think that’s very important, if we want to find effective solutions.

Yeah, you’re not comparing, because an actual comparison would belie your attempt to “both-sides” this.

Describing some cultures as more ‘civilised’ than others!

Do you deny that some cultures are more civilised than others?

it’s not though is it? I’m speaking purely on the OPs points re; the way women are treated by ‘immigrants’ when the fact of it is, here is not any better in how women are treated. The idea that if we just stopped letting ‘them’ in all the women in this country would be safe. The fact is they wouldn’t be.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Women's rights in Afghanistan are obviously not comparable with women's rights in the UK. That is so obvious that it shouldn't be to be spelt out.

It seems that you did not understand the point that I was making.

What is ‘civilised’?

That doesn’t answer my question.

That depends on what you call civilised.

Well let’s start with, say, how a culture treats women and LGBT people.

You will never get liberal women to agree there is anything wrong with what is happening. Never. It's a waste of time. They enjoy sanctimony.

here is not any better in how women are treated

Why do you come out with this stuff? How can you possibly think it serves to help resist the rise of the far right?

I invite everyone to simply read up the thread to see what point you were trying to make.

It absolutely does.

Have you stopped killing kittens yet, yea or no?