AIBU to tell my daughter to report a flatmate's mother?

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Dd went to university a couple of weeks ago. She is setting in well and likes her flatmates.
Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with one of them. She is an international student and her mum came over to help settle her in, all fine.
BUT
The mum is still there, sleeping in the same room as the daughter.
The rest of them are getting increasingly annoyed as she's just there and as she doesn't speak any English it's difficult to ask what her plans are.
When dd moved in her contract said that she wasn't allowed any overnight guests to stay more than 2 consecutive nights.
Its been 2 weeks!
I've told them to go to student housing/ welfare and say something. Maybe they can do something?
Surely at the very least it's a safety issue if there was a fire or something as this woman isn't supposed to be there?
The rest of them dont want to get this girl and her mum into trouble but if the mums visa runs out surely that's worse?
I know I can't do anything but how do I get through to dd?

Yes that's right but it doesn't make it easier if people are sneaking in and over staying. At least if people sign in the fire brigade will know the names of the people who live there plus guests.

Nah, you can easily pay someone else to do the test or there are many companies who train students to get through it with no actual language skills

The brigade don’t wait for a sign in sheet to be produced to check off. As we’ve said, they search the building until it’s empty, if it’s safe for them to do so.

It won't do, she is taking the piss and this is a sign of things fo come. The Uni will have other accommodation available for her. It needs to be reported. In my day she would have been removed..

Yes but the uni might know the families to contact in the event of any fatalities. It is a health and safety issue if people just sneak in and don't sign in.

If they don’t sign in they don’t sign in.

the Fb will absolutely ask for a resident list to get an idea of how many people should be in there- they won’t do this as a priority before evacuating though.

if someone didn’t sign in (and after all, who is going to force them?) their parents willl have to wait until their body is identified. They would presumably report them missing.

there were no unidentified victims of grenfell, and as you’d expect, the tenancy lists bore little relation to who was present that night.

Like I said they don’t have much English,I didn’t say none.My daughter is at uni and says it’s common for International students to do this as she sees it all around her.

Agree,do you really think a uni in financial trouble as a lot of them are will turn down thousands of pounds over an English test that doesn’t suffice 🤔

And all the recruitment agents in India China etc who get paid commission for every student they get a place for 😆 they’re not going to let a little test get in their way.

When I lived in halls if we had overnight guests we had to let the person on duty know for fire safety purposes. For a similar reason we signed out if we weren’t going to be there overnight. Presumably if not to get them out it helps to identify the bodies if they know who might have been there.

Well, I did stay over with my dd on her first night, but only because she was the first one to move in and we knew the rest of the flat was empty for a week (and also because I'd missed my last train home). I did feel guilty and unrelaxed, though: slept on a sofa all night fully clothed because it made me feel more like I just got tired at the end of the mammoth moving in clean, and less like I was actually staying.

I would offer to talk to the uni myself- the girls might be relieved not to do the deed themselves.

I'm assuming HEI = Higher Education Institution. Why as a HEI should you not consider anonymous complaints?

I'm just thinking that, as a university, surely there is a duty of care owed to students to ensure their safety. If you are made aware of someone living in student accommodation who isn't a tenant, that person turns out to be nefarious, and you didn't investigate after being tipped off, aren't there potential ramifications for the university? Does professional curiosity not apply?

On the civil side, if there are restrictions on tenancy agreements about who can stay in the properties, and the university is made aware of someone possibly in breach of their tenancy agreement, but the university chooses not to investigate / do something about it, could the tenants not sue the university for breach?

I used to work in a homeless unit. Every guest had to sign in and sign out. Its really not that difficult

Anonymous complaints are difficult and unreliable to follow up on because you have little in the way of dialogue, evidence or statements to build an investigation on. We also don’t consider them, generally, to protect our students against vexatious or frivolous complaints (you may be surprised to hear how common these are).

HEI/HEP: higher education institute/s or provider

yes it is. Who checks they sign in and out?

“the university is made aware of someone possibly in breach of their tenancy agreement, but the university chooses not to investigate / do something about it, could the tenants not sue the university for breach?”

do you really think this is a realistic outcome?

Can't see anything wrong with that, other than you must have got a terrible night's sleep!

I remember my Mum staying over in my room in halls one night (after I'd been there a few months). She came up to see me, and take me out for dinner and cocktails. It was so much fun! Then she stayed over - I had a single bed and a futon so we were sorted! Didn't impact on anyone else.

I did and so did my colleagues. Was part of our job. There was always someone on the front desk so you saw people leave the building

And you think there is someone on the “front desk” of each halls of residence 24/7?

well there isn’t.

Wow...only read OPs first post ...
Lets hope your Daughter continues to settle in, doesnt have a wobble. The parent is looking out for her daughter in a stranfe country...probably staying bit longer than should but seriously...how nasty

Im not sure what your point is tbh. You seem to be telling me everything I'm saying is wrong. Do you work at a university?

Interesting.

So an anonymous complaint comes in to say that there's a middle aged man staying in an all-female flat and the university wouldn't look into it?

Or there's a room that people constantly come and go to at all hours of the day and night, only staying for a minute or two, but because it's an anonymous report that's tipped off the university, nothing would happen?

I'd expect a lot more proactivity to be honest. I appreciate the students are adults but living in halls of residence is an entirely unique situation, and we're all aware that, even though the students are legally adults (and fully entitled to all the freedoms and responsibilities which come along with that) many are susceptible to vulnerabilities because of the nature of uprooting in the way they do when they start university.

I have done.

blocks of flats don’t have sign in sheets either. Should they have a front desk so Helen at number 12 can sign her mum in when she pops round for a cup of tea?

my point is you said it’s “really not that difficult” for all residents and guests to sign in and out. Obviously if you thought about it you’d realise it is rather difficult

Potentially. Especially if that flat contains a bunch of law students who want to flex their unrefined legal skills whilst trying to get some money back for their extortionate accommodation fees.

You think you can sue someone for not enforcing their own contract?