Where do you think Jewish people come from?

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Antisemitism is at full volume at the moment and I caveat this post with saying that I have absolutely no wish to make Jewish MNers feel uncomfortable but as an an atheist with no connection to Israel this really makes my blood boil.

I see so many SM posts about the Jews having 'colonized' Israel and Judea & Samaria, not having any claim to the land, not being indigenous and of course being 'Europeans settlers'.

They can't answer where they actually come from though so I thought anyone on here who shares their views might be able to give an answer and how they came to that conclusion.

I understand that Jews are an ethnicity with Judaism as their religion. Being Jewish is not a religion. Jews are still today spread out all over the world with the majority living in Israel and the US.

This has come into focus since the UK Government sanctions on Jewish businesses in Judea & Samaria recently with Jewish communities living there classed as 'illegal settlers'.

It's almost as if Jews and Judea have no connection at all.

So AIBU to ask where the Jews originated from if not from there?

I don't feel this belongs on the CITME board as although the war in Gaza has amplified beliefs, this not directly about that.

You were extremely naive OP.

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

It ws the Canaanites, and the Jews emerged from that culture.

Where have u been hiding for the past few years?
I think you're very naive to think that given what's been going on (Ed Sheeran?!), that this thread would not stray into the Gaza arena.

Vile, vile remarks. I’d need a bath too after writing something so foul.

I seem to remember reading that ethnically there is little difference between Jewish and Arabic people. What I find ridiculous is that a group of people can claim a land on the basis they were given it by god thousands of years ago Whose god I wonder?
what would the world look
like today if countries were all restored to how they were 2 thousand years ago? Well goodbye Mr Trump to start with

I'm trying to think of appropriate reparations for 6 million lives lost and millions more tortured and abused, to a people who STILL almost 80 years later have never regained the already small population they had before.

And are now having that stain on humanity used as DARVO against them to mock them and demonise them because the country recreated as their homeland, the only place they are free from persecution, wouldn't take another genocide on the chin.

It's sick beyond belief.

I am English. But hang on, maybe I am not really. Where were my antecedents 2000 years ago? Maybe I should go back there.

This. I mean, my family have lived in the States for over 175 years, and I’d be pretty angry if the Apaches turned up at my parents’ house and said that it was their ancestral land, and they were taking it.

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Would you be happy if half of your house was declared someone’s safe place/ homeland/ whatever bc their family lived there 30 generations ago and they’d move in tomorrow?
This problem was artificially created by the UN bc USA/UK couldn’t/wouldn’t take in any more immigrants.

The whole argument is stupidly inconsistent anyway. If people who arrived in the UK as adults, and naturalise, are British, then people who were either born in or immigrated to Israel are Israeli.

Can guarantee there's the Sheeran bullies posting on the thread.

There is no such place as Palestine.

Jesus was a Jew
because Judaism existed in the middle East before Christianity

Mohammed invented Islam around around the year 610

before that there were Jews, Christians, Roman multitheists, Gnostics, and more

The Crusades drove the early Moors / Moslems back to the Middle East (after they took over much of Spain)

Jews were discriminated against and expelled by many countries over many centuries

the fact that there are more Jews in the USA than Europe was not by choice (see also Hitler)

The ‘Arch of Titus’, near the Forum in Rome, depicts the forced removal of Jews from their homeland, which gave rise to an involuntary diaspora.

It is quite moving. The Romans didn’t seem to tolerate any resistance or dissent. I suppose it would be called ethnic cleansing today.

Other colonisers came to the area afterwards, of course. The Byzantines were there, or Eastern Roman Empire as it can be called. Then there was quite the significant cultural shift due to the Islamic political and religious expansion by the Muslim Arabs. At the pointy end of a sword. Ottomans took over, for nigh on four hundred years. Then the British Mandate came along.

My father’s cousin was over there in the Palestine bit of Judea and Palestine (British Army) during the First World War.

I cringed at that. It shows how woefully ignorant these people are.

I used Ed Sheeran as an example of the Gaza situation presenting itself in forums unrelated to politics.
Macklemore should have kept his mouth shut.

Vile post but typical.

The whole illegal settlements think is bonkers and a complete distraction from your original post. It’s very simple:

in 1948, the international community approved a Jewish land in what is now Israel, including the West Bank/judea & Samaria (whatever you want to call it) and Gaza. This is according to the law of Uti Possidetis Uris - look it up, very interesting. Same law that gave Ukraine the Crimea - can’t imagine anyone world say Ukraine was occupying that area?!

within moments in 1948, the Arabs invaded and took over those areas (Egypt took Gaza, Jordan took West Bank)

in 1967, the Arabs invaded Israel again, Israel said sod this, we’re taking them back - we were given them legally

nothing illegal about Israel governing those areas. Of course, they chose to withdraw and give Gaza to the Palestinians to rule in 2005 as a gesture of good will - look how that turned out. Not surprising they don’t want to do the same with the West Bank, don’t you think?

anyway, to answer your original question… Jews came from Judea. Our exile, which has lasted thousands of years took us to all corners of the earth, which is why we are come in every colour, shape and size. But rather than assimilating, we kept our unique identity. Pretty cool, huh?!

Israel is here. It exists. It would be a non-issue, not a global talking point, if it wasn't majority-Jewish. It's being subjected to mass Islamist propaganda, helped on by the far left in Western countries.

I promise if it wasn't Jewish no-one would give a fuck. Like no-one gives a fuck about Sudan.

Hey OP, what other country has to continually explain its existence?
Been on any protests against the Iranian regime, or is it just Jews you don't like?

I haven't RTFT because I don't want my brain addled, but as I understand it Abraham, the founder of the Jewish race, came from a place called Ur of the Chaldees which was in modern day Southern Iraq.
Prompted by his father, they left Ur to go to Canaan.
Rather than crossing the dangerous Arabian Desert directly, they followed the Euphrates River northwest for about 600 miles. They stopped and settled in the city of Haran along the way.
At age 75, Abram received a direct command from God in Haran to leave his native land and go to a new land that God would show him.
If you want to read the story for yourself it's in the Christian Bible from Genesis 11.27 to Gen 25.11.
I don't know where you would look for it in Jewish peoples' sacred book.

Is this a serious comment? People on the internet are so ignorant. This website is going down the toilet, honestly.

Germany has paid out about 90 billion in US Dollars in reparations for the Holocaust so far and continues to spend about 1.5 billion on it yearly

👏brilliant post. The actual recent history of the region.