Where do you think Jewish people come from?

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Antisemitism is at full volume at the moment and I caveat this post with saying that I have absolutely no wish to make Jewish MNers feel uncomfortable but as an an atheist with no connection to Israel this really makes my blood boil.

I see so many SM posts about the Jews having 'colonized' Israel and Judea & Samaria, not having any claim to the land, not being indigenous and of course being 'Europeans settlers'.

They can't answer where they actually come from though so I thought anyone on here who shares their views might be able to give an answer and how they came to that conclusion.

I understand that Jews are an ethnicity with Judaism as their religion. Being Jewish is not a religion. Jews are still today spread out all over the world with the majority living in Israel and the US.

This has come into focus since the UK Government sanctions on Jewish businesses in Judea & Samaria recently with Jewish communities living there classed as 'illegal settlers'.

It's almost as if Jews and Judea have no connection at all.

So AIBU to ask where the Jews originated from if not from there?

I don't feel this belongs on the CITME board as although the war in Gaza has amplified beliefs, this not directly about that.

As I said, the only discussion is around what was originally part of mandatory Palestine. That land has been disputed. But that's the only that there is a disputed claim around. Again, why did Israel return all the Sinai if itwas expansionist? Why did Israel leave Gaza and evacuate all the settlements?
Riddle me that one.

Just a reminder for all of those pretending this is about history and their ties to the land and Jewish "purity" https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/26/world/trump-promotes-gaza-plan-ai-video-intl

Imagine any other country suggesting this - they'd be bombed by Israel without a second thought.

, which showed exactly what this war is all about, a land grab for profit. The fake facts and religion is a cover for greed by both America and Israel. Trying to white wash murder with "but my religion" is ridiculous.

And was anyone else involved in the war? Did anything happen round about this time of year, three years ago?
Obviously not, or you'd have mentioned it.

Sure. The whole things a complete mess. Not sure it can be described any other way. Very poor behaviour on both sides.

Now let's try replacing fake facts and religion relating Islam instead of Judaism. The thread would be zapped in an instant.

Of course, nothing happens in a vacuum, but it is clear which direction Israel wants to take it, funded by America. It isn't about religion it is about money.

I will remember that when critics of illegal immigration are called racists, in the absence of referencing religion.

Your way of dealing with people who don't agree with you is to "get them zapped" but means you are stuck in an echo chamber. Wouldn't you rather see what people think, debate and grow? Then you won't have to post in AIBU because everyone hides your rage bait feeds.

With all respect, no one wants Gaza. Israel tried to get Sadat to take Gaza as part of the Camp David accords but he didn't want it

I guess it depends how far back you want to go.
Abraham took his people to the ‘Promised Land’ and they had to fight to stay there (Philistines =Palestinians)
Jacob took his family to Egypt to escape the famine and then Moses took the descendants back again.
I believe that Judaism is the only religion that has its identity bound to a geographical area.
”Next year in Jerusalem!”

Your way of dealing with antisemitism is to deny it exists.

Didn't they escape the pharaoh's Egypt thousands of years ago, led by Moses? (don't laugh - that's what I remember from Religion classes).

You cannot ignore the past, even if you consider it inconvenient. Not sure what that's got to do with Russia and Ukraine or why you think "right-wing Jews" would all have the same view given that would include people around the world, including those living in Russia and Ukraine.

If you don't think there has been backlash to Trump in Israel, then you haven't been paying attention and dumbing down the war to a land grab ignores reality (including the history of Israel giving up land in hopes of peace), the 07/10 attacks launched by Hamas (and their subsequent refusal to cease), and the hostages (about who some of those calling for peace were remarkably silent on).

Yes because caring about the most persecuted race in history, is goading it. You're a hypocrite.

Nobody is laughing! You're at least being polite.

That would be the panacea, from an objective pov. But neither side want that (“from the river to the sea” etc).

It’s a stalemate. But I do know Israelis will never give up what they consider to be their country and I can’t say I blame them.

many religions do too - Mecca and Medina for Muslims.
But in addition to religion, Jews are a nation. Like Armenians for exmple. ANd as a nation, Jews are very much linked to Israel

Judaism is the religion of the Jewish people. But not every religious Jew is ethnically Jewish and not every ethnic Jew is religiously Jewish.

So that link to a specific geographic area is from both a religious and national perspective.It's the last place Jews had self determination before they were foribly displaced after they suffered the ultimate catastrophe to then live as a minority - and we saw how well that one worked out for the Jews.

Because 2000 years have passed and other people live there. Would´ve thought that was obvious. But nothing is obvious with regards to Israel.

Not when they are surrounded by states that want to kill them.

I don't think anyone is saying or thinks that Jewish people don't exist?

Possibly because people over simplify a complex situation and history to statements such as this.

No they are gaslighting the presence of antisemitism.

But Israelis WERE prepared to compromise and give up some on mandatory Palestine. But in 1947 the partition plan was firmly rejected and war was declared. In 1967, the Arab League came out with the 'three nos of Khartoum' - rejecting any compromise. Then in the 90s, Arafat turned down Barak's offer and Abbas turned down Olmet's offer.

I can't see any of this happening now - the second intifada pushed lots of Israelis to the right and October 7th has basically destroyed the Israeli peace camp - but it was very close before.

But I thought I was clear that I was specifically NOT talking about a two-state solution. I was talking about one country where everyone can live anywhere and everyone has equal rights. Like Jews and Christians living in the UK.