Where do you think Jewish people come from?

[BlessedIsTheFruit]

Antisemitism is at full volume at the moment and I caveat this post with saying that I have absolutely no wish to make Jewish MNers feel uncomfortable but as an an atheist with no connection to Israel this really makes my blood boil.

I see so many SM posts about the Jews having 'colonized' Israel and Judea & Samaria, not having any claim to the land, not being indigenous and of course being 'Europeans settlers'.

They can't answer where they actually come from though so I thought anyone on here who shares their views might be able to give an answer and how they came to that conclusion.

I understand that Jews are an ethnicity with Judaism as their religion. Being Jewish is not a religion. Jews are still today spread out all over the world with the majority living in Israel and the US.

This has come into focus since the UK Government sanctions on Jewish businesses in Judea & Samaria recently with Jewish communities living there classed as 'illegal settlers'.

It's almost as if Jews and Judea have no connection at all.

So AIBU to ask where the Jews originated from if not from there?

I don't feel this belongs on the CITME board as although the war in Gaza has amplified beliefs, this not directly about that.

The Israeli Government is making the most of a favourable US administration, but their actions have resulted in a significant reduction in support from the US public (not to mention the rest of the world). This is combined with a long term demographic shift with younger US voters objecting to the level of US support for Israel and being more favourable to the Palestinian cause. Over time this may change the outlook for a peaceful resolution.

Before I go. Hope you got what you came here for @BlessedIsTheFruit Next time, posting this on the CITME board would be more appropriate. This isn't about genuine enquiry, as many of the responses have revealed.

If you cared about them you wouldn't be goading people all day every day by calling people who disagree with Israeli logic racist, antisemetic and constantly blocking people's posts who disagree with you.

Long term what you do would be a great way for fascists to make people dislike Jewish people again, using threads to make them look intolerant. This thread has actually reaffirmed my real life understanding that Jewish people aren't all of one mind on this, as you seem to repeatedly insist.

I just wish that Humans would stop fighting over stupid shit. It's like hoards of toddlers always arguing over every little thing. We all need to grow up. If Aliens landed tomorrow and wanted to kill us all, you'd bet that we would all then be on the same team.

I actually think that Aliens do exist, and they are too afraid to make contact with such an aggressive species

Argue over land as much as you want. It's completely irrelevant. You don't get to murder kids just because they're in your garden.

There is no way under a one state solution to prevent Jews becoming a minority, which puts them at risk of being persecuted again (unless you're proposing state-sponsored limitations on family sizes). Not to mention the vast majority of those actually living their (Israelis and Palestinians) don't want this and thankfully external countries no longer have the right to dictate such things.

Jews and Christians have equal rights in the UK but that doesn't mean they have equal experiences. Hence why Jewish schools need security and Christian ones don't.

Yes and people have migrated to and from that region for millenia too. In fact, many Arabs migrated to mandatory Palestine because the economic development that happened as a result of Jewish immigration meant that it was a more attractive place to live rather than the undeveloped bywater it was under the Ottomans.
And it doesn't negate the original crime wereby Jews wer forcibly displaced from their homeland and always wished to return. One claim doesn't negate the other - both sides have legitimate claims, hence why the situation has proven so intractable.

No-one deliberately murdered children except for Hamas and their camp followers. I'm guessing you don't mean them though, the usual free pass there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crl7yjlpx2po

I also wonder if there is a model of tolerant and democractic coexistance in the Arab world that could be used? Because I can't think of one country which has actually protected its minorities and is a mdel of liberal democracy which uphods women's and LBTQI rights. No Israeli (including Arab Israelis) wants to live in an extension of Syria.

There are plenty of documented examples of children being targeted by the IDF and people who seek to deny that don’t do their cause any service. People need to be open and honest about the actions of both sides, rather than adopting this stance that their side is entirely innocent and blameless.

Yes, children have been targeted on both sides which is terrible. Even in war, children deserve protection. Yes, Hamas and others also target children but Israel should have higher standards of its soliders. The fact that there is a criminal investiation into the heartbreaking killing of that poor child, Hind Rajab, is a good step in that way at least.

‘actual genocide’ surely refers to the horror that people of Jewish faith/ancestry/ethnicity experienced when they were hunted down throughout Europe in the mid 20th century, being removed from their homes, communities and countries, taken to camps where the only purpose was to murder them, all of them, millions of them! Men, women and children taken from Germany, Poland, France, the Netherlands and more, killed because they were Jews. The aim was to totally exterminate them, remove them from the world. That is an ‘actual genocide’.

And note that the IDF opened a criminal investigation, exactly because murdering children is not their policy.

I assume somewhere that is now in the region of Israel/West Bank because that’s where Jesus lived. But honestly I just assumed everywhere because in my mind it was the biggest religion pre Jesus.
probably wrong though.

My DNA Ancestry test came up 100% Welsh. Does that mean I have the right to kick out any non Welsh people living in Wales?

There are huge deficiencies with Israel’s prosecution of crimes committed by the IDF, although that is something they share with the armed forces of many countries including the UK.

No. And fortunately thats also not what happened or why there is conflict in Israel/Palestine.

Yes, this is true. There is no conflict where children have not been killed and injured. And there is no conflict where war crimes have not been committeed, particularly when there is urban warfare with forces intentionally using civilian infrastructure. Then it's a certainty
It shouldn't happen but it does in almost every single war of this type.

Not true at all.
Sniper- shot Palestinian children with targeted head and heart aimed bullets are well documented.

The second diaspora happened later after the 3rd Judean-Roman war otherwise known as the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 132-136 AD. Around half a million Jews were killed by Hadrian’s armies, hundreds if Jewish villages were destroyed abd never rebuilt. Prisoners of war were enslaved while many survivors/refugees fled to Egypt. The practice of Judaism was outlawed.

Many surviving Jews also converted to paganism, then later to Christianity and then again later to Islam over the 1900 years between then and now.

I agree that you cannot claim right to land on the basis of your religion or a tenuous link to a diaspora over a millennium ago.

There is the problem right there. The people who think that the area was wholly devoid of Jews between AD70 and 1948.

Yes because all Jews are meant to think like you. How many times are immigration threads asked to be taken down? It's OK to want those zapped though. If you cared about peace, you wouldn't be here joining in on making Jews feel like shit. Im not going to be guilt tripped for my views.

You mean like in Iran were Jews to this day don't have the same rights as their Muslim neighbours?

It was the same in the Arab world before they forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands of Jews. People who claim there has been peaceful cohabitation for centuries in the middle east often seem to gloss over the facts that while there was peace, it was only because Jews accepted that they were second class citizens. They had no other choice!