To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

[Jane3212]

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But was very disappointed to read this. The statements she made about trans people deserving respect, no issue with those.
But minimising the reasonable concerns women have about being forced to let men in their toilets was wrong.
I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.
Parton had connections with drag queens and I wonder if that's the lens she saw transwomen through : not an excuse but might partially explain.

Why "give her the benefit of the doubt' though?
Why is it so hard to understand or grasp that people can have different opinions to yours?

Comparing trans people to paedophiles is as low as a snake's belly.

You should be ashamed.

Agree. Awful.

what a patronising pile of shit as an answer. I’m a woman in the world too, and I’m certainly not rich. I’m a disabled woman with teenage and early twenties daughters and we all ‘know what it’s like for women’ and we still all support trans rights. The idea that if you don’t agree with you it must be because you’re a bit stupid or naive is incredibly patronising.

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Yes, people have different opinions. In fact, since 2016 many people have expressed different opinions on the trans issue. Like some of the politicians in the US - and even the UK - who now have a different opinion on the trans issue from the one they previously held and are now saying things like "Woke 1 was crazy!" or "transgirls shouldn't compete in girls' sports" (this from a person who had previously claimed there are six biological sexes) or "when I said transwomen are women I didn't mean transwomen are actual women".

So, yes, some people have many different opinions on the trans issue and today they have a very different opinion from the one they had in 2016.

Because of the change in my own opinions and the very clear shift in public opinion since 2016.

Most sensible people once they realise that trans demands are such that fully intact males could be showering beside our daughters realise that it’s an anti women movement.

Showering beside our daughters 😐

Most sensible people 🙄
Again with the patronising, arrogant, everyone else apart from me and those who agree with me are wrong or are just silly and misinformed."

I didn't actually say that.

Anyhow, you think men CAN turn into women?

I mean, you have nothing but insults to offer, really. "misinformed, ignorant" the list goes on and on. I'm impressed by your imagination.

But imagination it is if you believe men can turn into women.

Yes you did.

"trans brigade... Just like paedos"

Sure you didn't.

Feminists though...

OK I'll clarify. I have nothing against trans people. But the trans activists are nutters. And yes, they use the same techniques as paeds. I think you're being obtuse for a reason.

Nutters isn't any better.

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I have been researching toilet safety for several years. Most of my research and data collation is from the U.K. As far as toilet incidents go, women and children are victims of violent crimes. Men can be too but I have found no link to being trans. The perpetrators are men. All voyeurs in prison (upto May 25) are men. All rapists are men.

I enjoyed watching Dolly in the Nine to Five film the other day. It has a lot of toilet scenes integral to the plot.
It shows women having a chat out of earshot from men in the women’s toilets. Design wise American toilets have bigger door gaps but it still shows that cubicle doors should rest in the open position so people don’t hide behind them (in this case a woman they didn’t like).
It also shows a dead body being wheeled in to a ‘disabled’ fully enclosed toilet. The joke is you anticipate the female nurse to scream when she encounters the body but she just shouts to her colleague that there’s another one. This is accurate to real life.

The danger isn’t getting killed in a toilet, it’s having a medical emergency and not being seen to have collapsed (for hours and sometimes days, even in busy places). 11% of cardiac arrests happen on a toilet. It’s where people go when they feel ill. People overdose in toilets, they have seizures, hypos, strokes. That’s why cubicles with gaps under and over the doors and partitions are so much safer for everyone. The advantages of those gaps are for health (ventilation and thorough cleaning) and for safety (prevention of misuse, safety in emergencies and being trapped).

When the environment is mixed sex you can not have cubicles, the toilet has to be in a room of its own.

The cubicles can have the door gaps for health and safety but only in a single sex environment like the traditional washroom containing the sinks. This is from the Health and Safety Executive.

Only single sex toilets can be safer by design and this is because the environment in which they are in is single sex.

People who want to destroy a free society, where women have safe spaces, are the ones I call nutters. Again, you present no argument.

Well that’s the outcome isn’t it? It’s not a hypothetical.

explain to me why my teenage daughter should have to run the risk of seeing a penis in spaces where she is undressing and could reasonably expect to be male free?

yes you did.

others can read, you know.

Again, try to understand the people find it futile to argue with closed minds.

I wouldn't want to see anyone's genitals thank you.

This is misinformation 👆🏻 There’s no statistical evidence for the claim that trans women are more likely to murder than be murdered and the second claim also misuses or misunderstands prison statistics by presenting them as population level offending rates. Presumably you've read and taken those claims at face value without further investigation and perhaps that's why some people on Mumsnet are baffled that people don't automatically share their opinions because they don't just regurgitate misinformation because it aligns with their viewpoint.

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But but but she didn't have exactly the same opinions as me on every niche subject!!!!

Grow up 🙄

Exactly. You soon realise it's futile, there's literally no point in arguing with them.
Some aren't closed off, but you can tell the ones who are too far gone.