To be disappointed Dolly Parton supported biological men using women's toilets?

[Jane3212]

I really liked her music and she seemed like a nice person: her Imagination Library came to my borough recently. I was very sad to hear she'd died.
But was very disappointed to read this. The statements she made about trans people deserving respect, no issue with those.
But minimising the reasonable concerns women have about being forced to let men in their toilets was wrong.
I'm not saying she should have spoken out for GC issues. It might have been best just not to comment.
Parton had connections with drag queens and I wonder if that's the lens she saw transwomen through : not an excuse but might partially explain.

Perhaps because you can't seem to read the words that someone has said they'd rather not engage with you. For all of the worrying about toilets, a remarkable number of GC posters show online they don't actually process or understand NO or boundaries much and I wonder how much of their paranoia is projection of their own behaviour.
You're not entitled to debate with anyone just because they disagree with you, perhaps you're viewed as aggressive because you can't read the room and that you're comments are actually in good faith for discussion.

Oh, the name-calling again.

Again?

The fact that right wing people are almost always sex realist doesn't mean that all sex realist/GC people are right wing. The fact that support for GI is more prevalent amongst younger people, doesn't mean that people who don't buy in are all old and stuck in their ways.
I'm a left wing feminist who believes there are very important reasons why women need some spaces away from people of the male sex. I don't believe it's possible for people to change sex or that some male sexed people should be exempt from this. I don't think that means I've fallen into any stereotype.

Well, the thing is, trans women don't want to pee in a gender neutral toilet. They want to pee in a WOMEN's toilet. that says it all really...

I didn't even know anyone called us "Terf Island"

thought so.
Jeez, so predictable.

It's embarrassing.

I know, I can’t see how this affects what I’ve said!

I’ve literally never heard this in my life.

I am very pleased she wasn't a transphobic bigot. She wasn't a perfect human being, but she lead by example through her actions.

It means cis men have to compromise too.

It’s not. It’s something to be proud of.

Lots of GCs have it in their Twitter bios.

biological men won’t be worried about their safety if a trans identified female, aka a trans man,
enters their private spaces. I mean he might not like it and would prefer it to remain men only, but he wouldn’t be worried for his safety, generally speaking.

And you know this how?

It was a blind spot I'd say. Not a terribly surprising one as I think she, like a lot of women in her position, was thinking in terms of what she say as harmless gay men.

Not so much the underlying exploitive and medically abusive interventions, or a man in a women's psychiatric ward, or even men in women's sports.

Not unlike Margaret Atwood who was wholly unable to extend the logic of her stated view to those kinds of questions, mainly because she seemed unable to get past what her social circle thought was "progressive. "

I think time isn't going to be kind to that approach but it's a minor blip in terms of her life and I don't think it will really be part of how she's remembered.

we just need hateful fascist and the bingo card will be full!
LOL

If it’s considered right wing to not want vulnerable women raped in prison by violent males then the left have truly lost their way.

More relevant to the point I think the poster is trying to make (maybe?), they’re not a threat in any way to other men! Or someone pretending to be a trans man isn’t a threat to other men.

We need to work out how to use public spaces so that everyone is safe and feels safe, and has the same ready access to the facilities they need, of all different kinds. The way to do that will probably involve compromise on the part of men in general, but they seem to be getting a free pass.

The group of people who are a threat to others are criminals, but they are overwhelmingly male. That’s the starting point in my eyes.

You know that has absolutely not been the demand of advocacy groups and trans activists.

first day on the internet? I mean five minutes of research would show you that a huge part of the validation is being accepted into spaces not meant for males.

Sally Hines. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

the woman who said that before the enlightenment the female skeleton didn’t exist. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

oh please.

Because of the outcry of being “othered” when asked to use unisex facilities and leave females alone.

Ah well, if only Margaret Atwood had your intellectual subtlety and insight! Imagine the books she could have written! 😂