Rise of far right

[Sillyme1]

Any one else worried about the rise of the far right in Europe. Churchill once said ‘those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it’. Obviously social conditions are different from the 1930s, but there are similarities such as using immigrants as scapegoats (not Jews this time). Things can so easily escalate and I admit to being worried

Umm the AFD are far right by any definition of the word!

Apparently 40% of their membership are being tracked by intelligence for being potential Nazis.

A short Google of past comments from their leadership will leave you in no doubt.

But mass immigration has halved. And they're still banging the black shirt drum.

Disabled people were put to death, anyone not White Christian was expelled and later murdered. We just want people to stay in their country of birth, because for the working classes we are short on resources. Not the same at all really. Trump has cut contraception, it's something we need to focus on. Not pledges of £ billions to vague causes while we chat tax rises and welfare cuts. There's areas of the world that are becoming unlivable, it can't sustain the births happening. People are up in arms about help having conditions, but the same people watch while the men sell their girl daughters to old men and make excuses for that. Or Mothers who have to agree to their 12 year old being married because her husband won't feed her. We've just had another set of incidences outside a high school, the Police once again are ignoring full adult men asking girls for kisses. No doubt the men who are going to start patrolling will get called racist thugs, but it would be quite nice to not have our children sexually harassed and assaulted (one girl was pulled by the arm towards one man). Our girls are being subjected to the harrasment women get, as they walk around Egypt/Morocco. We need to deport criminals, it isn't our responsibility to make sure they are safe, once they rape a child.
We can't house Africa or the Middle East. They have to take the same responsibility for how many children they have, as we were forced to. If whatever Diety they believe in, will provide, then they have no reason to leave.

That’s interesting-it seems to other way round to me. What is now considered “far left” was considered centralist.

It's not reduced enough. Small boats are still coming in, so the drum will continue to be banged - by normal everyday British citizens.

I believe that if our government makes it clear that the role of an economic migrant is to help the State, rather than the role of the State being to help any economic migrant who happens to come along, then the disquiet will be quelled.

How many times?

Being concerned about immigration = not far right

Dressing all in black with a balaclava = far right.

Lining up behind Tommy Robinson etc = far right.

The protestors don't speak for a 'silent majority' or for 'the people', they speak for themselves and their small band of supporters.

Being concerned about immigration is fine if those concerns are based on facts and are not racist. But quite often people's concerns are based on falsehoods and are indeed racist.

It’s very much in Russia’s interest to have Europe broken back up into bite sized countries (closed borders) or in-fighting (don’t look this way).

Few internet bots, made so much easier with AI, roll them out, wait.

And it's on a downward trajectory. Anyone who thinks that you can just stop it overnight is incredibly naive.

This is such a nonsense! Even back in the 70s and 80s the National Front and the British National Party were seen as extremist far right parties. Reform and Restore are their direct children and we now face the realistic prospect that Reform could be the next government. The Overton Window has shifted a long way right. For example, Thatcher, darling of even today's right wingers, was a massive European. She negotiated hard with the EU and gained for the UK a phenomenally strong position, and she would have been aghast that we have thrown that power and influence away.

Stsrmer was considered by many Labour supporters to be so far to the right that he was almost a Conservative; Blair was loved by many Conservatives. Yet Reform talk about Starmer as if he was a communist

Its not helped when the police refuse to release information on whether asylum seekers are more or less likely to perpetrate sexual assault, leaving people to bake their own assumptions.

Totally agree. It’s ridiculous what is called Far Right now. Just because it’s not Left or Far Light, does not make it Far Right. It’s a joke.

Nobody expects that but they want consistency. Smashing the gangs soon fizzled out.

It is obviously wider than that but the far right will do best in areas like Clacton where deprivation levels are high and education levels are low. Because they are the easiest groups for the far right to manipulate.

Well we all have access to the polls, don't we? We can see from voter intent the level of appetite for the far right across the UK.
I'm not even convinced that support for Reform is endorsement of the far right in all cases. Ordinary people who vote Reform typically give their reasons as disenchantment with Labour and Conservatives and wanting to give someone else a chance, and stopping the boats. Neither of these things indicate a commitment to far right ideology. Although they may be inadvertently voting for aspects of it.
I think if the Tories hadn't made such a complete hash of government, they'd still have the monopoly on those who don't want a left leaning administration.

Keep halving until the majority are happy and stop voting to the right.

Piddington isn’t very happy either, and they’re a leafy Lib Dem area.

You must think incredibly highly of Labour if you genuinely expected them to solve an issue in 2 years that your beloved tories couldn't solve in 14.

Well observed! Spot on, actually.

And what are those assumptions if not racist?

It takes a certain type of person to look at the state of our country - the broken public services, exceptional inequality, ageing population, and focus their ire on immigrants. The word for those people is racists, although I think most are led into racism rather than evil at heart.

The accepted definition of "far right extremism" (to quote you verbatim) is, and has always been, groups that advocate violence/societal overthrow. Which specific "far right extremist" political party/parties do you have in mind, when you reference a concerted effort to "frame themselves as mainstream"?

This is very accurate

Britain has changed so much due to influx of immigrants. Where I used to live it was a relatively safe area for my kids to grow up. in the last few years I lived there, young men, obviously newbies to the area, started setting up barbers shops and hanging around door ways of shops talking in their own lingo. Leering at women and making some people feel uncomfortable.
A friend had a small shop and some of these types menaced her on a regular basis as she asked them not to block her door way. Police told her they were limited as to what they could do.
Why are we spending so much on looking after these people they have to be fed, need medical and legal help? That is money that is needed in this country for our own people, hospitals, schools etc. I got sick to death living somewhere that wasn't my home area anymore being leered at by blokes hanging around and the area taken over by god knows how many different languages and cultures. If you want to live somewhere other than your own country at least learn the new country language.
Don't get me on governmental leaflets telling these men how to behave and not to rape women.
Yes, I am angry and yes, I do feel like a 2nd class citizen in my own country. It really fucks me off. If that makes me racist towards them, then I really don't give a shit what some random on here or anyone thinks.
Don't give me any bleeding heart shite either.
Await deletion for saying what a lot of people probably think but are too scared to say.

And I don't support Reform before it is suggested.

@WecanbeheroeslikeBowie I don't believe you. And yes I live in one of the areas far right people claim is not safe for white people. I am white. It is all bollocks.