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AIBU to feel upset after my meeting with my manager?

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derFutterneid · Today 07:38

I have been working somewhere for nearly 10 years, after being a SAHM. I loved my job, but the company has gone through many restructures and it has changed completely.

Over the past 2 years we have had many redundancies and people not replaced. As a result my workload has massively increased. On top of this many of my colleagues have sought out doctors notes, and other things to exempt them from certain tasks. I have been given this extra work too. This has caused me a lot of stress. It also affects others and a few of my work colleagues are now on antidepressants or have left. Our staff turnover is horrendous. People are leaving with no job to go to. Everyone is unhappy and it is a toxic environment.

Anyway, I had my appraisal and it went OK, but afterwards I realised I had been downgraded. I asked some of my colleagues, not directly, but they confirmed they received higher. I was really upset about this, as I'd say I was one of a few people who do the lions share. I even manage the department when there is no manager. Since my boss is on holiday I asked the next level up (it is usual to escalate to this person) about my appraisal.

What then followed has really shocked me. I was told that it had been agreed amongst them to downgrade me as whilst my work was excellent and appreciated, I had a bad attitude and my behaviours are not aligning with what they list as what we should be demonstrating. Apparently people say hello to me, and I have my head down and barely acknowledge them or I am in a mood and people tread on eggshells around me. I am a thorn in the managers side, and I bring problems to the manager but not solutions. I am abrupt. I was totally shocked by this because in the 30 years that I have been working, and the many appraisals I have had, I have never had this feedback. In fact I have constantly been told I am very popular and respected and a go to person if someone needs help. I have never worked with this manager. It felt like a character assassination.

Some points;

I asked for some specific examples, but they could not name one.

I have never had a complaint made about me by a customer, or by a colleague in 10 years.

Apparently I am too outspoken, but they specifically asked me to join a group of staff to talk about branch issues. I asked to step down from this and was asked to stay as my opinions are valued. After one meeting the head of the company told my manager that they were really impressed with how I professionally handled myself. Seeing me upset, a friendly manager told me that I had pissed off one of the managers by questioning something, and that the company ask for my opinion, but don't always like the answers.

In this company, I have had at least 18 appraisals and mid years, and not once have I ever had feedback on my attitude. There is no history of this whatsoever.

Now, I am not disputing my attitude and behaviours. However I asked them to put it into context. I am covering a very large portion of the workload. I have asked to reduce my hours, and change my days (there is one week a month where I work 7 out of 8 days in a row). I come home stressed out and crying. I have raised concerns numerous times about my workload and improving my work life balance. These have all been rejected as we are short staffed and it doesn't suit the business. I asked to move department and they have said no. So, with that in mind, yes I look stressed, I look unhappy, I may not be skipping along saying hello to everyone. However, no one has complained about me, neither staff member or client.

Apparently they have observed this about me for a while, and my manager should have addressed it with me, but they did not. Even though I spent an hour and a half in my appraisal. Apparently they are too scared of me. I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's.

FYI this is a minimum wage job. I do have another PT job which I can increase the hours. I don't really need the money, but I saved and invested all that I earned and felt I was contributing to my household and our future.

This manager suggested that I get my manager and a couple of other managers who also work along side me in a room and they tell me bluntly about my attitude and behaviours, I can then go away, reflect on it, and come back acting differently. I don't really like the sound of this!!!

My DH is not being very supportive about me leaving. He says I shouldn't till I get another job, but I just don't see how I can stay if this is what they think of me. My adult DC say that I am going to end up having a heart attack or stroke and it is not worth it.

AIBU to be upset, or is this kind of feedback normal?

What would you advise me?

What's stopping me leaving;

The money was invested and it feels good.
I like to be busy, and have structure to my week.
I'm in my 50's, it'll be hard to get another job. However, I do have another job that I enjoy and I can develop (I am a pilates instructor)

OP posts:
Gardenflowering · Today 08:22

derFutterneid · Today 08:15

OK, thank you.

I think I have decided to resign. I will have another job - my pilates work and I can up it. I can also take some time for myself, and to support my DC doing their A levels.

I am shaking with stress here, I didn't sleep last night.

What do I go in and say to them?

Do it. It’s best now.

Write 2 resignation letters, one for fun, keep it to yourself, telling them what bastards they are, pour it out, pour out your inner sass and let rip.
Then
Get onto ChatGPT to help you formulate a short, professional resignation letter. Ping that to HR, copy in the manager.
Can you take any owed leave to go in a week or so??

Puzzledandpissedoff · Today 08:22

I am in my 50's and they are in their late 20's

That could easily be enough to do it, with ageism being so rife - you're good enough to shoulder the burden of the work but no longer fit the team in their eyes
Also, If they're going for contractors rather than permanent staff they may also be looking to save money

Obviously you need to leave, and when you do I'd want an exit interview where you can tell them precisely what's led to the massive staff turnover and toxic atmosphere

Waytoohothot · Today 08:23

You are being bullied by a bunch of twenty year olds, just go off sick tomorrow and never return you will get paid for 6 months at least, life is too short, they may also be trying to get rid of you so dont allow them to do that, go off sick stating bullying and ignore them

TrishM80 · Today 08:23

Getting that stressed out about a minimum wage job is insane.

LilacBalloons · Today 08:23

Definitely leave OP - life is way too short to put up with this. It's clearly a toxic environment and it's just not going to get better. Work on your Pilates job prospects or find something else but don't keep putting yourself through this misery for money you don't even need.

JennyForeigner · Today 08:23

Absolutely get signed off sick. They have fucked you about and not need to find out. You should never make a decision about resigning in the heat of the moment - I agree with others that they are trying to push you out and jumping straight to resignation is playing their game. Get yourself down to your GP and explain.

If you do end up resigning, play writing the letter with a straight bat. You resign as of x date. You wish them well. Let the 'with running this place into the ground you absolute twonks' be unspoken.

Atleastitsnotsunstroke · Today 08:24

Unfortunately not a company that values you. Pls do not think you cannot get a job elsewhere. Look up Brave Starts for inspo.

LeahCariad · Today 08:24

Dear twattish boss.

Please accept this letter as my formal notice of resignation.

As per my contract I am required to provide 4 weeks notice, therefore my last working day will be xx/xx/xxxx.

Regards

xxx

BluesBird19764 · Today 08:24

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · Today 07:40

Leave. Your health is more important. It sounds like a very toxic place.

This, 💯 no job is worth that stress.

RandomMess · Today 08:26

If you get sick pay go off with stress and let them endure you not being there to carry the weight. Your GP can then do a Fit Note for you with part time hours etc. At any point you can then resign hopefully a lot less stressed and ready with your increased Pilates work ready to launch.

HelpMeGetThrough · Today 08:26

Seems to me they see you as a threat and want to chip away at your confidence. Its a nasty management tactic (normally used by extremely inexperienced or bad ones) I’ve seen played out a few times.

If you don’t need the money to live on, I’d leave before it gets any worse for you. I would however get signed off for a decent period and then quit whilst off.

madaboutpurple · Today 08:27

I hope you can get a voluntary redundancy as this company do not sound a caring place at all. It sounds to me if you can increase the Pilates hours that would better as that organisation will be a place that is a caring organisation and you would be far happier. I am sure the participants in the Pilates class would describe you far more favourably than the dreadful company so it sounds like they are doing their best to assassinate your character. I hope you can get a good deal on a voluntary redundancy deal and I wish you a happier future. Other posters are right this could end with your health suffering. Like others have said you could look at shop work for awhile if you needed The Pilates seems a great place as participants will be much nicer than the awful company. I send my best wishes.

AFigureWalks · Today 08:28

You would do so well as a police staff employee.

When they come up, there are a wide range of jobs; I’m thinking business improvement manager or project manager for you. It’s time for you side step promotion. The police would give you loads of training opportunities too. Have a look at your local force website. There’s a lot more structure to help people develop and straightforwardness and “get the job done” attitudes. They would/should value you.

Sereine · Today 08:30

It seems mad to be doing a job with management responsibilities for a minimum wage. In fact, your employers' expectations are totally unrealistic. You could get a similarly paid job with minimal stress levels very easily.

I don't think you need to say anything to them when you hand in your notice, but possibly do so when you finally leave. Make sure you take any accrued holiday before you go.

Foughties · Today 08:30

Please exhaust all your sick pay first. Ring in sick tomorrow and then make a GP appointment for stress and support. That was a total character assassination and the workplace is completely toxic. It is not you! As a manager and HR professional this is definitely not the way to deal with an employee who is displaying a poor attitude. We would be having a conversation about what's going on with you? As in identifying issues. We also have a menopause policy. However, they already know the issues but they won't address them. Your face no longer fits. They will just employ someone else and work them to death for a few years until they crumble and leave. I hate my current job and am totally stressed due to bad management. When I walk into a room I look like I'm about to burst into tears or I'm looking harassed. I was only thinking on Friday that people must think this is my actual personality when it definitely is not!

But, yes, signed off to get sick pay, then hand in resignation.

derFutterneid · Today 08:30

When does notice start. Is it the day you send the e-mail or the day after?

Not done this for a long time.

I am actually working today.

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Ethelspagetti · Today 08:31

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · Today 07:40

Leave. Your health is more important. It sounds like a very toxic place.

I agree with this. Leave and go somewhere else. You’re worth more than this. How dare they suggest getting managers in a room with you to discuss your bad attitude!!! You’re lucky you have money behind you.

1coconut2coconut3coconut4 · Today 08:32

I agree with PPs don't just resign go off sick first to give you time to think and plan. Then you can resign at your leisure once you have had time to sort your game plan. Make them pay you a bit longer cheeky fuckers. Find your anger rather than upset - they have blamed YOU for THEIR errors, their terrible working environment, their terrible behaviours that are bringing you and all other sane staff down. When it comes to it, I'd just resign and say to your manager in person that this isn't a healthy working environment. I would do a basic simple letter saying I am resigning from my job as XX, last day XX. Definitely take as much of the resignation period off sick with stress as you can - it isn't lying, they have made you so stressed you have been coming home crying. That's not ok.

Ignore DH and listen to DC, your health is more important. Ramp up pilates 100%!

Foughties · Today 08:33

Your notice starts from the date of the email. However, for today just ring in sick. You have been throwing up all night and have a bad stomach. This is due to stress. You've tried to get ready but can't get off the loo.

tsmainsqueeze · Today 08:33

TrishM80 · Today 08:23

Getting that stressed out about a minimum wage job is insane.

Same regardless of wage.

ThePoetsWife · Today 08:34

Go off sick with stress - then work out a plan for the long term while recovering

Foughties · Today 08:34

What is your sick pay policy?

derFutterneid · Today 08:35

If I only get a standard reference, will being off sick affect anything? I am never off sick by the way.

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itsalltoplayfor · Today 08:35

Think about not being there for a while whether that's on holiday leave or sick leave so you have time to decompress from this shock. It appears there's no reference at stake anyway and you have another source of income.
Make plans, resign (unless you think you can wait it out for a redundancy package) but look after yourself. No NMW job is worth this amount of stress. I can't believe the level of character assassination at play here, telling people to smile more and so on - it seems way beyond the brief of management.

Pineapplesunshine · Today 08:35

Hi OP, this sounds awful. I agree you should
leave, but think you should get employment advice before you resign. It feels very wrong if they have downgraded you based on a group of people having a discussion about you having never raised any issues with you previously, especially when they have given you so much more work to do - have they also potentially changed the nature of your role without discussion too? I have no idea if it might be constructive dismissal -
possibly not - but it doesn’t seem right so I would get advice about your rights in this situation. https://www.acas.org.uk/contact

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