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AIBU to think migrant sex crime data should be published? And to wonder why Labour are blocking the release of that data?

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Fabiansrule · 28/08/2026 16:25

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

'Victims of serious crimes and their families have joined forces to demand that the Labour government publish detailed data on offences committed by foreign nationals, accusing ministers of withholding information that is “clearly and legitimately in the public interest”.

Among the signatories are victims of high-profile sexual offences and families of murder victims. One signatory is a 14-year-old victim of a sexual assault in Epping allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant, in the same Essex town where asylum seekers were housed at the controversial Bell Hotel.
Fiona Goddard, a survivor of rape-gang grooming who has campaigned publicly about her experiences, has also signed the letter.

Eight relatives of Rhiannon Whyte, a hotel worker murdered by a Sudanese national, are also among those backing the demand.'

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

The British government voted down an opposition proposal for transparency on migrant offences, sparking Conservative Party criticism.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

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EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:09

placemats · 29/08/2026 14:08

Moved on to what? A crappy service that helps no one but yourself?

Bizarre. Ok that’s it. Done I mean 😬

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 14:11

Myoldmansascouser · 29/08/2026 14:06

Stop trying to deflect.
We all know that some migrants can find their way over to UK.

What? 🤣

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:12

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 13:53

Denmark immigrant sex crime issues

Non-Western Immigrants Commit One-Third of Rapes and Violent Crimes in Denmark
29.6% of the country’s violent crimes and 32.4% of rapes are committed by perpetrators

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/non-western-immigrants-commit-one-third-of-rapes-and-violent-crimes-in-denmark/

Your article is from 2024 and is uncritical reporting of raw data.

This is worth reading on Denmark.
https://refugeeswelcome.dk/en/information/focus/crime-among-refugees-and-descendants/

98.5% of refugees and their reunified family in Denmark do not commit crimes.
This means that only a small fraction of the group does commit crimes, and that number has been declining in recent years. The group is still overrepresented in crime statistics compared to ethnic Danes*, but there are a number of possible explanations for this, which will be discussed below.

In June 2026, research by the Rockwool Foundation showed that violence across ethnic groups is less commen than what is statistically expected. Non-Western individuals are thus more likely to commit violence against other non-Western individuals, while ethnic Danes are more likely to commit violence against other ethnic Danes.

For both ethnic Danes and non-Western foreigners in Denmark, crime rates are declining. The proportion of non-Western descendants with criminal records has dropped even more sharply, though from a significantly higher level. As a group, however, they have become less criminal.

The same trend is evident when looking specifically at refugees and their family members. Since 2020, there has been a significant decline in the share of young male refugees convicted of criminal offenses over the course of a year – from 3.8% in 2020 to 1.5% in 2023.

In 2024, the corresponding figure for young ethnic Danish men was 1.2%.
This means that today, 98.5% of refugees and reunified family are NOT convicted of a crime within a year, while the same is true for 98.8% of ethnic Danes.

This portion describes why you can’t directly compare small populations to large ones due to data being skewed

The crime index
In the public and political debate, it is often pointed out that non-Westerns immigrants and particularly their descendants are overrepresented in crime statistics. This is not wrong.
According to the publication from Statistics Denmark 'Indvandrere i Danmark 2025', male descendants from Lebanon, for example, have a so-called crime index of 386, while the corresponding figures for Somali, Syrian and Iraqi descendants are 316, 312 and 268 respectively. This means that these groups are 2-4 times as likely to commit crimes as the general population.
These are, however, relatively small groups, which means that a few individuals can skew the result.
The index figure for male Syrian descendants for example is based on only 901 people. With such a small group, it doesn’t take many additional people with or without criminal convictions to drastically skew the index figures. Therefore, crime index figures must be used with caution.
Another problem with relying too much on the crime index is that it is a relative measure: It compares one group’s crime rate to that of a larger group. Therefore, the index says nothing of the crime rate within a group but merely compares the crime rates of different groups with the crime rate of the population as a whole.
A group can have a high crime index – and thus be overrepresented – and still have a pretty low crime rate. And it is possible for the group’s index score to rise over time, even though the group becomes less criminal. When crime declines in society as a whole, the benchmark moves with it.
Therefore, the crime index cannot stand alone when examining the criminality of a group. It must be compared to absolute figures, and here the picture is – as shown above –unambiguous: The share of the population committing crime is declining, regardless of whether one looks at ethnic Danes, non-Western immigrants, or non-Western descendants.

Structural factors
Part of the explanation also lies in political choices.
The Rockwool Foundation has shown that lower benefits for refugees contribute to increased crime within this group. The significant reduction in benefits for refugees, which was introduced with the “starthjælp” program in 2002 and has since been continued under various names, has led to refugees committing more crime than they otherwise would have. For one thing, refugees became more likely to commit theft in supermarkets.
The research also shows a wide range of other negative consequences of low benefits: More refugee children performed poorly in school, fewer young people completed secondary education and more became dependant on public benefits. All of which contribute to circumstances that we know are associated with an increased risk of committing crime. And a loss for the economy as a whole. Low benefits for refugees have thus led to more crime.
This only makes it more concerning that the Danish parliament chose to continue the low benefits for non-Western foreigners with the social benefits reform that took effect in the summer of 2025.
Overrepresentation in crime statistics is thus, to a certain extent, a result of political choices. When a group’s means of subsistence is reduced, they seek other ways to make a living. A few of them choose a path of crime.

Ethnic profiling
The way the police conduct their work is also a factor. The Institute for Human Rights has investigated so-called ethnic profiling in Denmark and found that immigrants and their descendants – especially those originating from Middle Eastern and North African countries – are charged and arrested significantly more often than ethnic Danes, without this subsequently leading to a conviction. More than one in five charges against people from Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Somalia end without a conviction.
This overemphasis on foreigners in the work of the police may mean that ethnic minorities have a harder time “getting away with” crimes than ethnic Danes do.
It is of course only right that people are held accountable for the crimes they commit, but when efforts are directed at one ethnic group rather than another, it contributes to distorting the picture of who commits crime in society.
All of the above is not to say that foreigners would not be overrepresented in crime statistics if the aforementioned factors were taken into account. There is no way to know. But it is likely that the group would be less overrepresented. And it underscores the point that the responsibility for how foreigners fare in society does not lie with themselves alone.

Crime among refugees and descendants - Refugees Welcome

https://refugeeswelcome.dk/en/information/focus/crime-among-refugees-and-descendants

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 14:13

GunnelVallquist · 29/08/2026 14:02

I’d like to know how certain posters view the Cologne incident on New Year’s Eve 2015.

That was unprecedented.

But I’m not going to ask them as I know I’d just get some really stupid replies.

This one?

https://archive.ph/jaiTb archive link

As Germany Welcomes Migrants, Sexual Attacks in Cologne Point to a New Reality

As 2016 neared on Dec. 31, however, some 1,500 men, including some newly arrived asylum seekers and many other immigrants, had instead assembled around Cologne’s train station. Drunk and dismissive of the police, they took advantage of an overwhelmed force to sexually assault and rob hundreds of people, according to police reports, shocking Germany and stoking anxieties over absorbing refugees across Europe.

Since then, the police have received 653 complaints of robberies and sexual assaults, and several rapes. The mother of a 19-year-old who said she had been raped called the police by 10 a.m. on Jan. 1, and officers went to the teenager’s hotel, getting her and two other women to a gynecological exam.
Even the relatively dry language of the police report issued this week — summarizing at least 90 complaints of sexual harassment — makes the situation graphically clear. It refers over and over to victims surrounded by men and “groped in intimate area,” “grabbed by breasts and bottoms,” or even “fingers inserted in vagina.”

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EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:14

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:12

Your article is from 2024 and is uncritical reporting of raw data.

This is worth reading on Denmark.
https://refugeeswelcome.dk/en/information/focus/crime-among-refugees-and-descendants/

98.5% of refugees and their reunified family in Denmark do not commit crimes.
This means that only a small fraction of the group does commit crimes, and that number has been declining in recent years. The group is still overrepresented in crime statistics compared to ethnic Danes*, but there are a number of possible explanations for this, which will be discussed below.

In June 2026, research by the Rockwool Foundation showed that violence across ethnic groups is less commen than what is statistically expected. Non-Western individuals are thus more likely to commit violence against other non-Western individuals, while ethnic Danes are more likely to commit violence against other ethnic Danes.

For both ethnic Danes and non-Western foreigners in Denmark, crime rates are declining. The proportion of non-Western descendants with criminal records has dropped even more sharply, though from a significantly higher level. As a group, however, they have become less criminal.

The same trend is evident when looking specifically at refugees and their family members. Since 2020, there has been a significant decline in the share of young male refugees convicted of criminal offenses over the course of a year – from 3.8% in 2020 to 1.5% in 2023.

In 2024, the corresponding figure for young ethnic Danish men was 1.2%.
This means that today, 98.5% of refugees and reunified family are NOT convicted of a crime within a year, while the same is true for 98.8% of ethnic Danes.

This portion describes why you can’t directly compare small populations to large ones due to data being skewed

The crime index
In the public and political debate, it is often pointed out that non-Westerns immigrants and particularly their descendants are overrepresented in crime statistics. This is not wrong.
According to the publication from Statistics Denmark 'Indvandrere i Danmark 2025', male descendants from Lebanon, for example, have a so-called crime index of 386, while the corresponding figures for Somali, Syrian and Iraqi descendants are 316, 312 and 268 respectively. This means that these groups are 2-4 times as likely to commit crimes as the general population.
These are, however, relatively small groups, which means that a few individuals can skew the result.
The index figure for male Syrian descendants for example is based on only 901 people. With such a small group, it doesn’t take many additional people with or without criminal convictions to drastically skew the index figures. Therefore, crime index figures must be used with caution.
Another problem with relying too much on the crime index is that it is a relative measure: It compares one group’s crime rate to that of a larger group. Therefore, the index says nothing of the crime rate within a group but merely compares the crime rates of different groups with the crime rate of the population as a whole.
A group can have a high crime index – and thus be overrepresented – and still have a pretty low crime rate. And it is possible for the group’s index score to rise over time, even though the group becomes less criminal. When crime declines in society as a whole, the benchmark moves with it.
Therefore, the crime index cannot stand alone when examining the criminality of a group. It must be compared to absolute figures, and here the picture is – as shown above –unambiguous: The share of the population committing crime is declining, regardless of whether one looks at ethnic Danes, non-Western immigrants, or non-Western descendants.

Structural factors
Part of the explanation also lies in political choices.
The Rockwool Foundation has shown that lower benefits for refugees contribute to increased crime within this group. The significant reduction in benefits for refugees, which was introduced with the “starthjælp” program in 2002 and has since been continued under various names, has led to refugees committing more crime than they otherwise would have. For one thing, refugees became more likely to commit theft in supermarkets.
The research also shows a wide range of other negative consequences of low benefits: More refugee children performed poorly in school, fewer young people completed secondary education and more became dependant on public benefits. All of which contribute to circumstances that we know are associated with an increased risk of committing crime. And a loss for the economy as a whole. Low benefits for refugees have thus led to more crime.
This only makes it more concerning that the Danish parliament chose to continue the low benefits for non-Western foreigners with the social benefits reform that took effect in the summer of 2025.
Overrepresentation in crime statistics is thus, to a certain extent, a result of political choices. When a group’s means of subsistence is reduced, they seek other ways to make a living. A few of them choose a path of crime.

Ethnic profiling
The way the police conduct their work is also a factor. The Institute for Human Rights has investigated so-called ethnic profiling in Denmark and found that immigrants and their descendants – especially those originating from Middle Eastern and North African countries – are charged and arrested significantly more often than ethnic Danes, without this subsequently leading to a conviction. More than one in five charges against people from Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Somalia end without a conviction.
This overemphasis on foreigners in the work of the police may mean that ethnic minorities have a harder time “getting away with” crimes than ethnic Danes do.
It is of course only right that people are held accountable for the crimes they commit, but when efforts are directed at one ethnic group rather than another, it contributes to distorting the picture of who commits crime in society.
All of the above is not to say that foreigners would not be overrepresented in crime statistics if the aforementioned factors were taken into account. There is no way to know. But it is likely that the group would be less overrepresented. And it underscores the point that the responsibility for how foreigners fare in society does not lie with themselves alone.

@NullaEffugiumperhaps the data will show what you believe. Why would that be bad?

GunnelVallquist · 29/08/2026 14:15

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 14:13

This one?

https://archive.ph/jaiTb archive link

As Germany Welcomes Migrants, Sexual Attacks in Cologne Point to a New Reality

As 2016 neared on Dec. 31, however, some 1,500 men, including some newly arrived asylum seekers and many other immigrants, had instead assembled around Cologne’s train station. Drunk and dismissive of the police, they took advantage of an overwhelmed force to sexually assault and rob hundreds of people, according to police reports, shocking Germany and stoking anxieties over absorbing refugees across Europe.

Since then, the police have received 653 complaints of robberies and sexual assaults, and several rapes. The mother of a 19-year-old who said she had been raped called the police by 10 a.m. on Jan. 1, and officers went to the teenager’s hotel, getting her and two other women to a gynecological exam.
Even the relatively dry language of the police report issued this week — summarizing at least 90 complaints of sexual harassment — makes the situation graphically clear. It refers over and over to victims surrounded by men and “groped in intimate area,” “grabbed by breasts and bottoms,” or even “fingers inserted in vagina.”

Yes.

Unprecedented.

I wonder why it happened, all of a sudden. And what could have caused it.

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:15

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 13:54

What is not false are the crimes, and they mostly cause suffering to women and girls.

It then falls to the gov to do something about that.

Correct, and sadly going after immigrants isn’t going to help prevent these crimes or the victims of such crimes. The violence is inherent in the system and requires a deeper look into our own society.

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 14:15

GunnelVallquist · 29/08/2026 14:15

Yes.

Unprecedented.

I wonder why it happened, all of a sudden. And what could have caused it.

Beats me

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EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:18

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:15

Correct, and sadly going after immigrants isn’t going to help prevent these crimes or the victims of such crimes. The violence is inherent in the system and requires a deeper look into our own society.

I think we can do better. Some crimes would not have happened if we had a better system for women and girls.

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:19

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:14

@NullaEffugiumperhaps the data will show what you believe. Why would that be bad?

It’s not bad either way. I just want data that has been professionally analysed and written in a formal report that follows good statistical practices prior to its release. Just releasing raw data with no context makes it ripe for exploitation to further propagandist aims. We have ample evidence of this occurring for a good several years.

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 14:20

ZoeCM · 29/08/2026 12:22

Yes, this confused me, too. If the data shows that migrants are no likelier to commit sexual assault than anyone else, why would releasing that data result in vigilante attacks? It makes no sense.

It is extremely difficult to construct a truthful, objective presentation in a manner that prevents unscrupulous politicians from massaging the figures, or actually lying, in such a way as to stir people up.

The way this thread has gone suggests that a number of PP wouldn’t much like the possibility you raised. I think they are a minority in the country, but they are not alone. PP here may be law abiding but we’ve seen many instances of rabble rousing that has turned nasty from both the far right and the far left in recent times.

Reform are highly motivated to do that right now, to distract from the Met’s criminal investigation of the party and the Parliamentary investigation of Nigel Farage. Farage has already been accused by a number of parliamentarians of inciting violence and he is really desperate now.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:20

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:19

It’s not bad either way. I just want data that has been professionally analysed and written in a formal report that follows good statistical practices prior to its release. Just releasing raw data with no context makes it ripe for exploitation to further propagandist aims. We have ample evidence of this occurring for a good several years.

Well you’re in a democratic system that allows FOI requests. That’s a good thing.

You might want to use that system one day, don’t knock it.

placemats · 29/08/2026 14:22

I think we can do better. Some crimes would not have happened if we had a better system for women and girls.

What system would that be? Suggest inclusion of links to care providers to help those in need maybe?

@EasternStandard

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 14:22

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:14

@NullaEffugiumperhaps the data will show what you believe. Why would that be bad?

@NullaEffugium has posted a useful link upthread already. It doesn’t quite answer the present question but it is in the same realm, and good news for immigrants.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:23

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 14:22

@NullaEffugium has posted a useful link upthread already. It doesn’t quite answer the present question but it is in the same realm, and good news for immigrants.

Ok so perhaps the data will reinforce it, we’ll see.

placemats · 29/08/2026 14:23

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:20

Well you’re in a democratic system that allows FOI requests. That’s a good thing.

You might want to use that system one day, don’t knock it.

Except you don't give direct links. Which would be helpful to women and girls.

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 14:23

It's only got worse in Germany, it seems

Rapes in Germany soar to nearly 14,000 cases in 2025, migrants vastly overrepresented

🇩🇪🚨 "I can no longer go out alone. I need a bodyguard." A German woman is sexually harassed in Bad Dürrenberg. "This happens to me so often. I have contact with people like that every day when I go out." "Really, there was a time when you could even go out at night."

🇩🇪🚨 "I can no longer go out alone. I need a bodyguard." A German woman is sexually harassed in Bad Dürrenberg. "This happens to me so often. I have contact with people like that every day when I go out." "Really, there was a time when you could even go out at night."

https://rmx.news/article/rapes-in-germany-soar-to-nearly-14000-cases-in-2025-migrants-vastly-overrepresented/

Rapes in Germany soar to nearly 14,000 cases in 2025, migrants vastly overrepresented

German police statistics for 2025 reveal that the number of reported rapes in Germany has reached its highest level in several years, reaching approximately 13,920 cases under the specific legal paragraphs. What is driving this explosive number of rape...

https://rmx.news/article/rapes-in-germany-soar-to-nearly-14000-cases-in-2025-migrants-vastly-overrepresented/

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placemats · 29/08/2026 14:24

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 14:23

It's only got worse in Germany, it seems

Rapes in Germany soar to nearly 14,000 cases in 2025, migrants vastly overrepresented

🇩🇪🚨 "I can no longer go out alone. I need a bodyguard." A German woman is sexually harassed in Bad Dürrenberg. "This happens to me so often. I have contact with people like that every day when I go out." "Really, there was a time when you could even go out at night."

🇩🇪🚨 "I can no longer go out alone. I need a bodyguard." A German woman is sexually harassed in Bad Dürrenberg. "This happens to me so often. I have contact with people like that every day when I go out." "Really, there was a time when you could even go out at night."

https://rmx.news/article/rapes-in-germany-soar-to-nearly-14000-cases-in-2025-migrants-vastly-overrepresented/

That's not helpful to the UK at all.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:24

placemats · 29/08/2026 14:23

Except you don't give direct links. Which would be helpful to women and girls.

🫠

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 14:25

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 13:48

I don’t think the public will give Labour what they’re after. If they win or lose the appeal.

What do they want? Aside from the time, money, staff and equipment to do this job properly, if it needs doing.

placemats · 29/08/2026 14:25

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:24

🫠

So compassionate and helpful. Keep going.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:26

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 14:25

What do they want? Aside from the time, money, staff and equipment to do this job properly, if it needs doing.

Labour could release now, the appeal will cost extra time, money and resources.

GunnelVallquist · 29/08/2026 14:27

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:26

Labour could release now, the appeal will cost extra time, money and resources.

It’s just taxpayers’ money though, so that’s ok.

Catza · 29/08/2026 14:27

Fabiansrule · 29/08/2026 14:23

It's only got worse in Germany, it seems

Rapes in Germany soar to nearly 14,000 cases in 2025, migrants vastly overrepresented

🇩🇪🚨 "I can no longer go out alone. I need a bodyguard." A German woman is sexually harassed in Bad Dürrenberg. "This happens to me so often. I have contact with people like that every day when I go out." "Really, there was a time when you could even go out at night."

🇩🇪🚨 "I can no longer go out alone. I need a bodyguard." A German woman is sexually harassed in Bad Dürrenberg. "This happens to me so often. I have contact with people like that every day when I go out." "Really, there was a time when you could even go out at night."

https://rmx.news/article/rapes-in-germany-soar-to-nearly-14000-cases-in-2025-migrants-vastly-overrepresented/

I am afraid, individual cases don't quite qualify as strong statistical data. I can find you a dozen of articles about British-born child murderers, but it doesn't prove that all British children are dangerous.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:30

GunnelVallquist · 29/08/2026 14:27

It’s just taxpayers’ money though, so that’s ok.

Yep. They work for us, so if the public want the information they’ve got it wrong.

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