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AIBU to think migrant sex crime data should be published? And to wonder why Labour are blocking the release of that data?

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Fabiansrule · 28/08/2026 16:25

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

'Victims of serious crimes and their families have joined forces to demand that the Labour government publish detailed data on offences committed by foreign nationals, accusing ministers of withholding information that is “clearly and legitimately in the public interest”.

Among the signatories are victims of high-profile sexual offences and families of murder victims. One signatory is a 14-year-old victim of a sexual assault in Epping allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant, in the same Essex town where asylum seekers were housed at the controversial Bell Hotel.
Fiona Goddard, a survivor of rape-gang grooming who has campaigned publicly about her experiences, has also signed the letter.

Eight relatives of Rhiannon Whyte, a hotel worker murdered by a Sudanese national, are also among those backing the demand.'

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

The British government voted down an opposition proposal for transparency on migrant offences, sparking Conservative Party criticism.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

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NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:33

GunnelVallquist · 29/08/2026 14:15

Yes.

Unprecedented.

I wonder why it happened, all of a sudden. And what could have caused it.

I wouldn’t say it was unprecedented. Much the same has happened and persists at European music festivals and concerts in the pit for decades- where 20-43% of women report some form of unwanted sexual contact or harrasment. The me too movement highlighted with thousands of anecdotes that such large gatherings often include men groping, harassing, robbing, assaulting and raping women.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44518892

https://organiser.org/2026/06/24/359571/world/france-music-festival-violence-women-stabbed-drugged-and-sexually-assaulted-243-arrests-made/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/17/appalling-conviction-rate-for-over-100-sexual-offences-at-leeds-and-reading-festivals

What’s interesting is the bit where it says 1,500 men including some asylum seekers- there’s no mention as to how many of the 1,500 men were migrants/ asylum seekers versus locals or tourists.

Glastonbury Festival

'Shocking' level of sexual harassment at music festivals

Up to 43% of women under 40, who have been to a music festival, say they have faced unwanted sexual behaviour.

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44518892

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:36

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:18

I think we can do better. Some crimes would not have happened if we had a better system for women and girls.

I agree. I’d be funding the police and getting them out into the communitues as a priority instead of sending dozens of them behind desks to tick boxes on country of birth and toodle around with spreadsheets.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:37

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:36

I agree. I’d be funding the police and getting them out into the communitues as a priority instead of sending dozens of them behind desks to tick boxes on country of birth and toodle around with spreadsheets.

It’s an FOI request for data that exists. You sound a bit concerned re what will come out. Surely not, given the confidence in your data posts.

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:37

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:20

Well you’re in a democratic system that allows FOI requests. That’s a good thing.

You might want to use that system one day, don’t knock it.

I haven’t knocked the FOI system. I used to review and approve FOI responses for release, so I know the value of it.

SoThatwasSummer · 29/08/2026 14:38

For those of us who can't understand why we can't get illegal immigration under control I think some posters on this thread are showing a very good example why.

They don't care one jot it 5 out of 100 illegal boat entants who we don't know anything about go onto murder or rape or attack your families and friends with bottles 30 times or that our police systems can't cope etc. above all else above women.,children the elderly (man raped recently 101 ) ...the vulnerable ,the disabled above all else their sole purpose is not to seem racist.

It doesnt matter if they seem deeply mysongeostic ,to hate women or anything....they will not allow us to control our borders and allow people in ,in numbers that are safe and easy to manage and infact simply choose who we want to help !

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:39

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:37

It’s an FOI request for data that exists. You sound a bit concerned re what will come out. Surely not, given the confidence in your data posts.

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The FOI asks for data that does not yet exist. HTHs
I am not concerned as to what will come out, but rather how various political figures will manipulate the data to suit certain divisive narratives.

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:43

SoThatwasSummer · 29/08/2026 14:38

For those of us who can't understand why we can't get illegal immigration under control I think some posters on this thread are showing a very good example why.

They don't care one jot it 5 out of 100 illegal boat entants who we don't know anything about go onto murder or rape or attack your families and friends with bottles 30 times or that our police systems can't cope etc. above all else above women.,children the elderly (man raped recently 101 ) ...the vulnerable ,the disabled above all else their sole purpose is not to seem racist.

It doesnt matter if they seem deeply mysongeostic ,to hate women or anything....they will not allow us to control our borders and allow people in ,in numbers that are safe and easy to manage and infact simply choose who we want to help !

So it’s our fault the government is a mess? Not the people who voted in the current government? Or the architects of Brexit that directly resulted in the Boris wave of illegal immigrants?

No it’s the fault of people who are saying that increased crime in the UK is down to bad UK governance, not the nice Romanian or Pakistani family living on your street.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:45

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:39

The FOI asks for data that does not yet exist. HTHs
I am not concerned as to what will come out, but rather how various political figures will manipulate the data to suit certain divisive narratives.

Your earlier suggestion it would take police hours wasn’t correct

No, the police will not need to put in extra hours, as the ongoing legal appeal involves data that has already been logged and is held centrally by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).

Myoldmansascouser · 29/08/2026 14:46

placemats · 29/08/2026 14:24

That's not helpful to the UK at all.

As I said upthread migrants can commit a crime in one country and move to another.
Tracking Limits: The UK does not centrally track or publish specific statistics on crimes committed in other countries by migrants before they arrived.
Official Data: The Home Office publishes regular updates on Foreign National Offenders (FNOs) currently in the UK prison system or undergoing removal

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:50

they will not allow us to control our borders and allow people in ,in numbers that are safe and easy to manage and infact simply choose who we want to help!

The UK has as more control over its borders than most countries

813k people legally arrived in the UK in July 2025/ Jun 2026 These were all given visas by the UK Government.
85k asylum applications were made in the same 12mos.

We do choose who to help. If we don’t want you, you don’t get a visa.
If we don’t want to help, the asylum application is rejected and you are forcibly removed.

Now during this same 12 months, 642k people left the UK

Meaning net migration is much lower than it has been for years.

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:51

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:45

Your earlier suggestion it would take police hours wasn’t correct

No, the police will not need to put in extra hours, as the ongoing legal appeal involves data that has already been logged and is held centrally by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).

No, that’s not true. Reference the public release I posted upthread.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:53

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 14:39

The FOI asks for data that does not yet exist. HTHs
I am not concerned as to what will come out, but rather how various political figures will manipulate the data to suit certain divisive narratives.

On wanting information hidden, I don’t see why posters are keen on this for crimes against women and girls in particular. We have data released for so many things. Politics still happens.

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 15:00

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:45

Your earlier suggestion it would take police hours wasn’t correct

No, the police will not need to put in extra hours, as the ongoing legal appeal involves data that has already been logged and is held centrally by the Ministry of Justice (MoJ).

Reposting this from yesterday to remind you the data requested by the FOI doesn't exist yet:

NullaEffugium · Today 00:01 in reply to:

EasternStandard · Yesterday 23:50
We’ll see. The ICO say it can be released so there must be something.

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me:

Yeah, once it exists. This clearly says they haven’t been collecting the data and a number of systemic issues must be addressed beforehand:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system
“However, the system used to bring together the detailed data and analysis on foreign nationals subject to deportation or return, such as their convicted crime type, their sentence length and their nationality, currently faces a number of issues which affect the quality of the data held on that system. These need to be addressed before data from that system can be considered of sufficient standard to be extracted for statistical purposes.
The Home Office are working to improve the recording of the detailed data held on FNOs and an upgrade to the management information system is currently underway. These improvements require significant changes to the data collection and infrastructure which underpins this management information. Once these changes have been completed, our ability to provide accurate extracts and more detailed information will be significantly improved.
By the end of 2025, if this work progresses as planned, the Home Office proposes to publish more detailed statistical reporting on FNOs subject to deportation and those returned to countries outside of the UK. Until these system developments are complete, we will continue to publish the summary information on FNO returns in the quarterly immigration system statistics.

Further breakdowns of this data, such as statistics on the type of offences committed by FNOs subject to immigration powers, or their nationalities, will be prepared as ‘experimental statistics’ due to them being derived from a redesigned data system. We will need to review the data in the new system, including for any gaps in the recording or transfer of information between the systems where the operational information is currently held.”
Have you ever known the Home Office to meet any deadline?

Statistics on foreign national offenders and the immigration system

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 15:02

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 14:53

On wanting information hidden, I don’t see why posters are keen on this for crimes against women and girls in particular. We have data released for so many things. Politics still happens.

No one wants it hidden, those were conspiracy theories as to why nonexistent data hasn’t been released already because the posters, like yourself, believe the data does exist and is being withheld or blocked.

SoThatwasSummer · 29/08/2026 15:04

@NullaEffugium not you but the absolte hard line some posters on this thread some posters have about the safety of our citizens is obviously reflected in the government or civil service or both

There is a bloody minded narrative that places any fear of what they think seems racist above all else.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 15:05

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 15:00

Reposting this from yesterday to remind you the data requested by the FOI doesn't exist yet:

NullaEffugium · Today 00:01 in reply to:

EasternStandard · Yesterday 23:50
We’ll see. The ICO say it can be released so there must be something.

Show quote history

me:

Yeah, once it exists. This clearly says they haven’t been collecting the data and a number of systemic issues must be addressed beforehand:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system/statistics-on-foreign-national-offenders-and-the-immigration-system
“However, the system used to bring together the detailed data and analysis on foreign nationals subject to deportation or return, such as their convicted crime type, their sentence length and their nationality, currently faces a number of issues which affect the quality of the data held on that system. These need to be addressed before data from that system can be considered of sufficient standard to be extracted for statistical purposes.
The Home Office are working to improve the recording of the detailed data held on FNOs and an upgrade to the management information system is currently underway. These improvements require significant changes to the data collection and infrastructure which underpins this management information. Once these changes have been completed, our ability to provide accurate extracts and more detailed information will be significantly improved.
By the end of 2025, if this work progresses as planned, the Home Office proposes to publish more detailed statistical reporting on FNOs subject to deportation and those returned to countries outside of the UK. Until these system developments are complete, we will continue to publish the summary information on FNO returns in the quarterly immigration system statistics.

Further breakdowns of this data, such as statistics on the type of offences committed by FNOs subject to immigration powers, or their nationalities, will be prepared as ‘experimental statistics’ due to them being derived from a redesigned data system. We will need to review the data in the new system, including for any gaps in the recording or transfer of information between the systems where the operational information is currently held.”
Have you ever known the Home Office to meet any deadline?

The ICO rejected the objections from Labour. Whether that included what you’ve posted here, they rejected it as insufficient.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 15:07

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 15:02

No one wants it hidden, those were conspiracy theories as to why nonexistent data hasn’t been released already because the posters, like yourself, believe the data does exist and is being withheld or blocked.

It clearly does exist. Otherwise there wouldn’t be an appeal. If Labour loses they will have about a month to provide it.

Windsurf · 29/08/2026 15:07

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 13:02

Hang on. In your ideal world nobody points out racism, xenophobia, bigotry, prejudice or misinformation in order to be reassuring?

No thanks.

You are not pointing out those things though, you are simply indulging in sanctimony because you enjoy it.

What is an "ideal world" and how have you managed to identify mine? By using your special sanctimony feeling words?

GaIadriel · 29/08/2026 15:08

BIossomtoes · 29/08/2026 08:21

How many times do you need to be told? There’s enough xenophobia in this country already.

Lol. We're one of the most tolerant countries in the world. 😆 We've had an Asian prime minister and Mohammed has been the country's most popular boys name for years. The current leader of the opposition is black. Try living in Eastern Europe or Japan!

I often wonder if middle class woke people just live in monoracial bubbles or if there's a lot of racism in that particular demographic. I've worked for two Sikh companies and the plant managers where I work are Indian and British Jamaican respectively. One site I go to in the mixers I'm the only white person onsite. All the drivers and operators are Pakistani or Indian. I encounter whole teams of Indian concreters on HS2 as they often seem to recruit people they know over randoms.

placemats · 29/08/2026 15:11

Myoldmansascouser · 29/08/2026 14:46

As I said upthread migrants can commit a crime in one country and move to another.
Tracking Limits: The UK does not centrally track or publish specific statistics on crimes committed in other countries by migrants before they arrived.
Official Data: The Home Office publishes regular updates on Foreign National Offenders (FNOs) currently in the UK prison system or undergoing removal

What you have posted is meaningless without strong link s supporting your argument.

Windsurf · 29/08/2026 15:13

NullaEffugium · 29/08/2026 13:48

If it were true about Germany, it would be awful. Thankfully, its propagandist lies.

FALSE that almost 60% of violent crimes in Germany are committed by men with a migrant background
https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/false-almost-60-of-violent-crimes-in-germany-are-committed-by-men-with-migrant-background/

MOSTLY FALSE that mass migration flooding our streets with men from women hostile countries is leading to abuses, violence and murder.
https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-false-the-problem-is-mass-migration-flooding-our-streets-with-men-from-women-hostile-cultures-abuse-violence-murder/

MOSTLY FALSE that a significant part of violence against women comes from migrant communities
https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-false-a-significant-part-of-violence-against-women-comes-from-immigrant-communities/

MOSTLY FALSE that the refugee crisis has made Germany more insecure
https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/mostly-false-the-refugee-crisis-has-made-germany-more-insecure/

Edited

That's a load of prevarication and waffle

placemats · 29/08/2026 15:14

Windsurf · 29/08/2026 15:13

That's a load of prevarication and waffle

So how do you counter the argument with back up links as support? Interested to know.

placemats · 29/08/2026 15:17

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 15:07

It clearly does exist. Otherwise there wouldn’t be an appeal. If Labour loses they will have about a month to provide it.

The ECHR is the final back up.

Why were you not interested in this when the Conservatives were in power?

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 15:20

Interesting posters would want it squashed if Labour loses.

Still, it won’t happen

No, the ECHR cannot step in if Labour loses the migrant data appeal, because this specific legal battle is fundamentally a Freedom of Information (FOI) case, not a human rights case.

TemperanceWest · 29/08/2026 15:21

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 15:07

It clearly does exist. Otherwise there wouldn’t be an appeal. If Labour loses they will have about a month to provide it.

The data will need to be compiled and that will be an expensive process. Which is why the FOI was originally refused. I am not saying that is a reason not to do it, but you seem to imagine there is a spreadsheet in existence that the government is hiding away.

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