AIBU to think migrant sex crime data should be published? And to wonder why Labour are blocking the release of that data?

[Fabiansrule]

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

'Victims of serious crimes and their families have joined forces to demand that the Labour government publish detailed data on offences committed by foreign nationals, accusing ministers of withholding information that is “clearly and legitimately in the public interest”.

Among the signatories are victims of high-profile sexual offences and families of murder victims. One signatory is a 14-year-old victim of a sexual assault in Epping allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant, in the same Essex town where asylum seekers were housed at the controversial Bell Hotel.
Fiona Goddard, a survivor of rape-gang grooming who has campaigned publicly about her experiences, has also signed the letter.

Eight relatives of Rhiannon Whyte, a hotel worker murdered by a Sudanese national, are also among those backing the demand.'

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

I am saying that we don't know what the problem is because we don't have data. I am not saying "let's not have data". I am saying let's have data that's been appropriately systematised and analysed so that we can see the objective picture. I am saying let's not make decisions based on an assumption which may or may not be correct.

Because your request is very likely to be challenged in court. To avoid a charge of discrimination one needs data on everyone.

This data is self provided and of dubious reliability.

Mainly, as those who understand something about the way the government processes data have been saying, it is an effing massive effort. Data systems across local authorities are incompatible, data is incomplete, etc. The task is an awful mess in so many ways.

I predict that if the government - and I have bo doubt the Tories would be making a similar appeal, which I would also support - lose this appeal, some IT firm will pitch a naive and unfulfillable contract. When it isn’t delivered, we will have lost a very large sum of HMG funds and be no further ahead.

Then either the courts will see the sense of the MoJ position or the CS will painstakingly do this right, while blowhards bay for their heads.

Dear oh dear. The lengths you're going to.

Yes. It's bad for society as a whole to have division, hatred and prejudice normalised, so often by those responsible for committing crime against women too. Many men "protesting" against migrants have convictions for domestic violence. To portray them as protectors helps nobody. We need to teach children that they have nothing to fear just because someone looks or sounds different to them. A lot of the posters on this thread appear utterly terrified by the unknown - it's sad to live life in a state of such fear.

It’s not going to be challenged. The ICO have said it’s fine.

So say the data was released to the general public and it showed that immigrants commit more sex crime.

What would be the positive outcome of releasing this information to the general public?

What do you want to see happen, as a result of the public release of data?

So all data that shows anything you don't want to be true is discredited?

Do you think growing up in a culture where women must be covered from the top of their heads to the tips of their toes and even, in some countries, stay away from windows lest they tempt men has zero effect on these men? Do you think all men all around the world are the same and have the same risk profile despite growing up in massively different cultures? Do you think that is likely?

Why don't we collect/publish the data and actually find out?

No need to think too much, for you it's going to be Restore or Reform, let's be honest.

The data doesn't tell you that, the report that figure came from used falsified data. The author deleted the tab from the source data that explained why it couldn't be used to calculate per capita figures.

Why do none of you do even a little bit of due diligence on the 'facts' you spout?

For goodness sake stop revelling in the details!

Agree, this is a male violence problem and making it about immigration is all about distracting us from the core issues as to why women have never been safe.

Sick.

We have ethnicity data yes, but the point I was trying to make is that data ≠ the whole story.

For example, the same data set also shows that black men are over represented in conviction stats (7% of convictions vs 3.7% of population) but later in the report the MoJ states that..

"All ethnic groups were significantly more likely to be sentenced to immediate custody for indictable offences compared to White offenders, with rates being statistically significant but not practically significant.

The most pronounced disparities were seen in sentencing for drug offences where all ethnic groups were both practically and significantly more likely to receive custody in comparison to White offenders."

But nefarious actors won't tell you that bit, they'll just say "ethinic minorities are more likely to be criminals, look the data says so".

My post above is not incompatible with what I saidxto @GeneralPeter

I am fine with a proper data release in the context of a statistically rigorous report. It takes time to do that right. No one can estimate how much without knowing a lot about systems details.

I am not at all fine with rushing, short cuts, a raw data dump or above all the simple failure to appreciate what this mammoth task entails.

So the last demographic we need to be admitting to the country by the 10s of thousands are men then, particularly young men. Got it. I agree. No to tens of thousands of young, uninvited men being allowed to walk into our country and roam freely.

Why do you believe the government would want to cover up what you believe there is statistical evidence to prove?

This is what I could find out - so make of it what you will.

Freedom-of-information extracts of Ministry of Justice and Police National Computer data published in 2024–25 show that known foreign nationals accounted for roughly 14–15% of sexual-offence convictions in 2024 (commonly phrased as “one in seven”), with an additional share of convictions listed as “unknown” nationality that some outlets add to reach estimates as high as about 23% when combined .
Separate breakdowns focusing specifically on sexual assaults against women found foreign nationals made up about 26% of convictions in one recent year — a figure repeatedly cited by outlets and researchers using MoJ data.
At the charging and arrest stage, analyses by the Centre for Migration Control and force-level FOIs report thousands of arrests of foreign nationals for sexual offences — more than 9,000 in the first ten months of one recent year across 41 forces — and in London force data foreign nationals were reported to account for roughly 40–47% of those charged for sexual offences in 2024 when unknowns are excluded

@Fabiansrule your thread is desperately trying to be shut down and deleted. Some of the comments are obscene. The righteous moral brigade really have outdone themselves. Good luck x

ETA: off out but will catch you later🙂

Probably...probably...

If you really can't resist answering for others, let's have some definites at least.

Yes pretty bad wasn’t it. The poor family you’d rather not hear from.

Your questions are strange. Are you really not able to get self evident stuff?

Because if it was good news ...if the rates were lower in newcomers than statistics for natives in UK ..then government would be singing from rooftops how this was good for UK ...
But what government is actually saying is ...every area must take their share ,as that's only fair ...
That doesn't make it sound like something positive to me ....

I wouldn’t be surprised if the data is published, but redacted so much as to render it meaningless.

As for all the protesters being far right men with domestic violence records, maybe up till now outside some of the asylum hotels. But Piddington? Those people look pretty ordinary law-abiding citizens to me.

Why?
People need to know the fate of these poor females - it could be your sister or daughter.

The ICO is not a court of law and their decisions can be challenged in court.