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AIBU to think migrant sex crime data should be published? And to wonder why Labour are blocking the release of that data?

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Fabiansrule · 28/08/2026 16:25

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

'Victims of serious crimes and their families have joined forces to demand that the Labour government publish detailed data on offences committed by foreign nationals, accusing ministers of withholding information that is “clearly and legitimately in the public interest”.

Among the signatories are victims of high-profile sexual offences and families of murder victims. One signatory is a 14-year-old victim of a sexual assault in Epping allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant, in the same Essex town where asylum seekers were housed at the controversial Bell Hotel.
Fiona Goddard, a survivor of rape-gang grooming who has campaigned publicly about her experiences, has also signed the letter.

Eight relatives of Rhiannon Whyte, a hotel worker murdered by a Sudanese national, are also among those backing the demand.'

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

The British government voted down an opposition proposal for transparency on migrant offences, sparking Conservative Party criticism.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

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poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 10:22

Fulbe · 29/08/2026 08:54

From what I've read, the crime rates are exactly the same if you match people for age and gender. Not comparing with the entire population. This kind of thing fuels hatred and rioting. That's why they're not publishing it.

I am not sure exactly how it would play out if statistics were compared carefully by experts, but you are onto something.

All over Europe and North America, age matching alone (and removing tourists from the count, Germany) does much to make the statistics on VAGW much more closely matched. This has been proved time and again.

I would bet that if data satisfactory to the Royal Society of Statisticians concerning this issue were analysed by its senior members and published, most who support OP would be bitter at the outcome.

We aren’t so interested in the racial and national identities of terrorists anymore, now we know the ugly truth.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:23

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So you want to ignore data so you can call people racist. You're saying that foreign nationals' offending numbers can't be discussed because you find it offensive? Why didn't you just say that in the first place. It will be of great comfort to the victims of those offenders.

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:25

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LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:31

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Your telling people they are prejudiced doesn't make them prejudiced.

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 10:31

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 06:33

Really - so why do we tell children to never talk to strangers? I know I've never been a risk to my friends' children or my nieces and nephews.

The Office of National Statistics report on child abuse to the year ending March 2024 validates the PP you were responding to here.

Over 2/3 of CSA complaints are made about assailants known to their victims. In addition, there is a huge problem with under-reporting. Reporting your parent, teacher or other authority figure is a horrifying experience.

Experts believe that actually 85-90% of assailants in CSA cases are known to their victims.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2026 10:31

MaturingCheeseball · 29/08/2026 08:38

@Blossomtoes - do you not value information? Do you look at Tripsdvisor reviews, say, or ones for a vacuum cleaner? Do you consult Checkatrade? Do or did you look at school stats ?

So it’s not an incredible reach to want to know if certain new groups coming to a country in a large volume present a risk to its citizens.

I already KNOW that I am potentially at risk from any known or random male in life, but I would appreciate the statistics on whether the government is failing to protect people by admitting and then failing to contain a wave of not just extra men but ones more likely to offend.

Look at school stats? OK, then.

Let's look at First Language. It's defined as

A pupil's first language is not English when the pupil:

  • Has been exposed to a language other than English during early development, and
  • Continues to be exposed to this language in the home or in the community

Great.

Trouble is that this could be the language of a grandparent who did child care for 3 months and now contact is a monthly Facetime. The person caring could be deceased since that period, so they barely understand more than Latte/Milch/Wara/Nofosuo/whatever and ciao/hallo/pele/akyem but they still hear it spoken by people.

It could also be 'OK, your Mum spoke Twi but we've always spoken English to her'.

They may have been exposed to it, but that doesn't mean they speak or understand it at all.

Is the First language the father's German, the mother's English or the Grandparent's German/English/French or Creole (and which variant)?

Add into that the Hostile Environment made people scared, so many parents said First Language was English and, yet again, that giving this information is purely at the discretion of parents.

You could have quite accurately, an EAL % of 68% of 1200 kids, but only actually have 7, 3 of whom are siblings, who need EAL support (the MIS gives the ability to record proficiency, but this is not collected by the DfE).

If you look at FSM provision - which is a binary yes or no - how do you know whether the % is due to long term poverty, the effect of transitional protections meaning that most have only been entitled because a) they had a couple of months on Income Support before starting a new £58k job 5.5 years ago, b) Covid hit so they stayed eligible until the end of that school phase or, with the coming academic year, because they have a disability/serious illness and therefore qualify for a couple of quid in Universal Credit?

If you're looking at Faith, it isn't a compulsory collection item for a non-religious school and is only compulsory in those due to the religious organisation's requirements in a completely different census. Not all faiths have a structure and the levels of bureaucracy that the RC church does - Islam requires nothing more than the Shahada, Hinduism requires nothing, Paganism nothing - and there can be atheists stating Catholicism because they did the baptism or a dispute amongst parents as to which faith or none to add. To the people of Faith, it can make a massive difference - some branches of Thomasian Christians are counted as Catholic, others as Anglican, there's also a section for CofE. What do you put down for Presbyterian? Bear in mind that there is Scottish Presbyterian and there are Black Majority Churches that use the same. How about Quakers? They don't believe in many of the tenets of Christianity that others do, so which category? Or do we use membership of Churches Together in England (or Churches Together in Britain and Ireland? Do we include specific churches that are members of the Evangelical Alliance? And if we do, under what category?

If you're talking about progress and attainment stats, do you understand the actual differences and limitations in the data? That it doesn't include privately educated or EHE children or those withdrawn from SATs except in the measures where it does? Or where SATs have no relevance? Or who is excluded or included? Are we using the 2019 comparisons or have you noticed that the dataset was updated 8 weeks ago to account for entirely new qualifications and a pandemic?

Look at SEND. Are they EHCPs or K codes? Do they have more because it's an undersuscirbed school, is it because they're more inclusive, is it because the LA directs them to take children whose needs cannot be met, is it because they have a great SEND department who don't ignore compliant, academically able children?

If you don't understand school data which is very strictly defined and standardised for all school required to submit it in one year but not from year to year, you are not going to able to find the truth in junk data.

Somerford · 29/08/2026 10:33

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Calls people racist

Finds that it doesn't work any more

Tries again

And again

Throws toys out of pram and flounces

A stellar performance and a tremendous waste of your time, congratulations.

SoThatwasSummer · 29/08/2026 10:35

@ClarkeandNewman I asked you a question a couple of pages back.
Your thoughts on the Simon levy case the tube.gropper ,sexual assaulter and killer. ..the met police made a complete hash of his case and let him go a few times where he went onto murder and assault more women .

If this is the best defense we have ie no defence should we be adding any more men....to our society ?

When we can't catch killers and we can't protect women as it stands ??

5MinuteArgument · 29/08/2026 10:36

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 08:12

So why are measures being taken to prevent these particular data being published?

Yes, you'd think that the pro-migration lobby, like some of the posters on here, would be clamouring to have these stats released.

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:36

Somerford · 29/08/2026 10:33

Calls people racist

Finds that it doesn't work any more

Tries again

And again

Throws toys out of pram and flounces

A stellar performance and a tremendous waste of your time, congratulations.

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I'm still here actually.

I will never stop calling out racism. I will never accept the kind of casual, unfounded racism that exists on this thread. It is still very much in the minority and it must stay that way. I see your tactics aiming to discredit, demean and belittle people who are anti racist and I reject them.

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:38

SoThatwasSummer · 29/08/2026 10:35

@ClarkeandNewman I asked you a question a couple of pages back.
Your thoughts on the Simon levy case the tube.gropper ,sexual assaulter and killer. ..the met police made a complete hash of his case and let him go a few times where he went onto murder and assault more women .

If this is the best defense we have ie no defence should we be adding any more men....to our society ?

When we can't catch killers and we can't protect women as it stands ??

You asked for my thoughts on an individual case. I don't know why. My thoughts on individual crimes are that they are awful for the victim and I hope the perpetrator is caught, and lessons learned.

Somerford · 29/08/2026 10:39

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:36

I'm still here actually.

I will never stop calling out racism. I will never accept the kind of casual, unfounded racism that exists on this thread. It is still very much in the minority and it must stay that way. I see your tactics aiming to discredit, demean and belittle people who are anti racist and I reject them.

Serious main character energy going on here. It doesn't matter what you call out and what you accept or reject, you are not as important as you think you are and nobody cares. The discussion continues whether you flounce or not and regardless or what you accept or reject.

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 10:40

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:36

I'm still here actually.

I will never stop calling out racism. I will never accept the kind of casual, unfounded racism that exists on this thread. It is still very much in the minority and it must stay that way. I see your tactics aiming to discredit, demean and belittle people who are anti racist and I reject them.

There’s no issue with a FOI request and given the ICO have rejected objections from Labour it fits within the democratic system we have.

If people are treated so badly by a political party, as the victims in the op have been, then good on them for using what is available to them.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:41

5MinuteArgument · 29/08/2026 10:36

Yes, you'd think that the pro-migration lobby, like some of the posters on here, would be clamouring to have these stats released.

Nah, it's easier to just keep shouting out racist.

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:44

SoThatwasSummer · 28/08/2026 22:24

@EveningSpread but women and girls are dead because of illegal immigrants ? Is that statistic any consolation to them or their families ?

What is your definition of an illegal immigrant?

GeneralPeter · 29/08/2026 10:45

poetryandwine · 29/08/2026 10:22

I am not sure exactly how it would play out if statistics were compared carefully by experts, but you are onto something.

All over Europe and North America, age matching alone (and removing tourists from the count, Germany) does much to make the statistics on VAGW much more closely matched. This has been proved time and again.

I would bet that if data satisfactory to the Royal Society of Statisticians concerning this issue were analysed by its senior members and published, most who support OP would be bitter at the outcome.

We aren’t so interested in the racial and national identities of terrorists anymore, now we know the ugly truth.

Presumably you support collecting and publishing granular data then?

As you think it would remove a lot of unfounded racial animus.

I think either it does that, which is good, or it throws light on a real problem, which is good.

BubbleAndLeek · 29/08/2026 10:46

Why do people ignore all the data and studies on per capita rates? Even when the studies control for age and gender.

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:46

Somerford · 29/08/2026 10:39

Serious main character energy going on here. It doesn't matter what you call out and what you accept or reject, you are not as important as you think you are and nobody cares. The discussion continues whether you flounce or not and regardless or what you accept or reject.

What does your first sentence mean?

It's important for anyone who is decent to call out racism, to criticise its practice. You're entirely correct that it's not an individual endeavour. It absolutely does need to be collective. People must stand up for what's right.

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:48

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:41

Nah, it's easier to just keep shouting out racist.

Sadly yes, it's all too easy to identify racism in this thread and that is what must be pointed out.

So far we haven't got to the heart of the issues which, as I see it, relates to these questions.

  1. What data do people want?
  2. What do they think should be done with that data?
LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:48

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:46

What does your first sentence mean?

It's important for anyone who is decent to call out racism, to criticise its practice. You're entirely correct that it's not an individual endeavour. It absolutely does need to be collective. People must stand up for what's right.

Are you capable of writing a post without mentioning racism - that is your version of racism?

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:50

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:48

Are you capable of writing a post without mentioning racism - that is your version of racism?

I don't understand the second part of your question. To the first part - yes! Of course. Start a thread which doesn't involve a clarion call to bigots and I'll see what I can do.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:51

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:48

Sadly yes, it's all too easy to identify racism in this thread and that is what must be pointed out.

So far we haven't got to the heart of the issues which, as I see it, relates to these questions.

  1. What data do people want?
  2. What do they think should be done with that data?

You're making personal attacks when you call people a racist, without any substance. I'm surprised MNHQ don't agree.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 29/08/2026 10:52

BubbleAndLeek · 29/08/2026 10:46

Why do people ignore all the data and studies on per capita rates? Even when the studies control for age and gender.

Gender? Do you not mean Sex? Gender is something somebody identifies into. Except where the collection framework doesn't think this or thinks it's the same thing as biological sex and that people get offended by the word Sex and Gender is a nicer way of saying it. Or the collector doesn't understand. Or doesn't care. Or there is a nationwide historical tradition of recognising a third category that other countries do not. Or a group in that country who has that same cultural tradition of a third but don't have the other categories that have been added to it.

But the respondent could think they were being asked Sex. Or that Sex is the same as Gender. Or that it isn't and Sex can be changed. Or that it isn't and it can't.

LuckyHazelFox · 29/08/2026 10:52

ClarkeandNewman · 29/08/2026 10:50

I don't understand the second part of your question. To the first part - yes! Of course. Start a thread which doesn't involve a clarion call to bigots and I'll see what I can do.

So you're here to derail the thread. Got it.

HouseBee · 29/08/2026 10:52

EasternStandard · 29/08/2026 10:00

Obviously it will make a huge difference to the victims in the op.

Why? Is it different to be raped by a white British man vs a migrant?

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