AIBU to think migrant sex crime data should be published? And to wonder why Labour are blocking the release of that data?

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Labour Blocks Release of Migrant Crime Data

'Victims of serious crimes and their families have joined forces to demand that the Labour government publish detailed data on offences committed by foreign nationals, accusing ministers of withholding information that is “clearly and legitimately in the public interest”.

Among the signatories are victims of high-profile sexual offences and families of murder victims. One signatory is a 14-year-old victim of a sexual assault in Epping allegedly committed by an illegal immigrant, in the same Essex town where asylum seekers were housed at the controversial Bell Hotel.
Fiona Goddard, a survivor of rape-gang grooming who has campaigned publicly about her experiences, has also signed the letter.

Eight relatives of Rhiannon Whyte, a hotel worker murdered by a Sudanese national, are also among those backing the demand.'

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news-corner/labour-blocks-release-of-migrant-crime-data/

Goodness. You don't often see it expressed so boldly.

Facts don't care about feelings

Part of this is due to Labour treating victims so atrociously. It’s coming back to bite.

Figures from Germany (and others similar) show some nationalities committing sex crimes at about twenty times the rate of Germans. We also have immigration from those countries.

Unless we publish the data, people might assume that the threat pattern here is similar.

If it’s not, then publishing the data can remove a lot of unfounded fear and stigma.

Isn’t that good?

And if the pattern is the same here, then knowing that is important to help combat sex crime.

Isn’t that important?

There are rapists everywhere, in every society, and definitely including ours.

What is "ours" ?

Well that’s fantastic. By publishing this data we can remove this unfounded stigma.

Would you agree that’s a great thing to do?

(Also, I didn’t hear the more or less. Was the claim that all groups/nationalities have the same offending rate? Or was it that overall, if we consider everyone non-white in one great lump, the rate doesn’t differ from whites, considered as a lump? And do you think treating non-whites as one great lump makes sense analytically? I don’t).

EU Factchecker, which is notably nonpartisan and rigorous, points out that one must look very carefully at the way German statistics separate out crimes by nationality.

They say that crimes committed by tourists are typically counted as crimes by short term immigrants and these skew the statistics significantly. This is discussed in one of the links posted by @NullaEffugium above, refuting some sensationalist claims and incorrect claims about crime in Germany and Denmark.

Yes, so if 80% of crimes are from white English males, then I’d rather concentrate on those 80%.
Simply fir (obvious) efficiency reasons.

Makes nonsense to cincentrate on ‘migrants’ if they are 5% of the rapes. Even if proportionally they are more likely to commit a rape. If we were sorting out every case agd stopping all rapes by migrants, it would make little dufference to tge safety of women

I obliged to quote a foreign national group, that had a high representation in prison. So no, no evidence of racism or xenophobia. Unless you're saying the statistics are as racist as the IOC.

Hear hear

Wow. You've just admitted it out loud. Extraordinary.

But if they are representing 5% (or whatever they represent. It will be low just because the % of migrants is low), then even avoiding every single rape from migrants will make little difference to women’s safety.

Id rather see the time, ressources, money directed towards the people who are the main offenders in numbers. Because that’s where the difference can be made.

Fucking hell.

Obviously it will make a huge difference to the victims in the op.

Why is it ‘right wing’ to expect to see big differences in criminality between these groups?

The usual left wing analysis is that crime is caused by poverty, deprivation, trauma. And the (undoubtedly true) fact that men are overwhelming perpetrators.

A lot of the public concern relates to asylum seekers.

How can you take a left wing view of crime and not expect significantly greater crime rates from asylum seekers. If you don’t expect that, you have to junk your whole analysis about what causes crime.

That would require them to be a bit more nuanced. Great post.

Thank you for this infusion of common sense, @TiredShadows . Much as I thought, though I am glad to learn of the functional boundary between MoJ and the HO.

I had hoped you would receive some public appreciation from posters supporting the OP. We can each think about why you have not.

What would it achieve?

The data can still be released. The objections Labour used were rejected by the ICO.

You didn't understand what I was saying so you used it as an excuse to exercise your prejudice.

The thing I find about racists is they're not deep thinkers. They stop at knee jerk reactions and anything that might superficially reinforce their position, albeit without credence, authority or context. It causes a dilemma. Is it worth countering that emotion-based onslaught for the purpose of making a stand, or are you just getting drawn into a mire of school playground abuse, silly insults and yet more "facts are what I say they are" sloo?

TL:DR on balance is it worth arguing with racists?

I suppose that meant something to you when you posted it.

Not necessarily.

If that 5% is made up entirely of Japanese (using the German data), your overall rape count falls by a couple of percent. That’s because Japanese have lower criminality than Germans (about one-third of the rate).

If that 5% is made up entirely of the group with the 20x rate, on the other hand, your overall rape count roughly doubles.

Applied to UK reported rape figures, it’s the difference between reducing by several thousand or increasing by about 75,000 a year.

That’s why the rates matter.

I'm still waiting for you to provide legitimate proof of racism. It's therefore a good job you've posed a question to yourself in your last sentence.

If it debunks myths, as some are certain it will, then yes why not do that