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AIBU to expect acceptance when DH declines niece's wedding abroad?

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DestinationForOne · Today 08:26

Dh niece is getting married next year abroad.

MIL seems to be in charge of organising most of it and to be honest is acting like its mostly about her !
She keeps saying how she wants her dc all there as she needs them there etc.

MIL/FIL are offering to pay but only for dh flight and hotel as they want him there as their son and not a husband / father as want his focus ‘on the family for once’.
It’s a 5 day trip.

They don’t know but we have been ttc so we have no idea what next year might look like for us. Dh has declined going and this has cause ww3. We’ve never argued with them before and it’s quite upsetting . AIBU to think they should be more accepting of Dh declining to go?

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Notonthestairs · Today 14:13

StandFirm · Today 14:05

But OP said SiLs kids have 'special status' within those two tiers so it sounds like they might be the exception. If so, that's unforgivable, even more than the already bonkers 'tiered' thinking.

😬 missed that.

the whole thing gets madder the more details come out.

SchrodingersGuinepig · Today 14:14

Loulou4022 · Today 09:24

So if it’s DH niece will the other parent of the niece not be invited? As they won’t be ‘family’ they’ll be a married in like you!!

Edited

It almost makes it hypocritical to be celebrating a wedding really...

What's the meaning of marriage if spouses aren't family?

Why are some grandchildren not family but one grandchild is?

SchrodingersGuinepig · Today 14:17

CreamSecond · Today 13:43

I actually think you’re all being over dramatic- I feel a bit sorry for your dh stuck in the middle of what seems like a war!!!!

Me too. My mil was a bit like this 'family' meals out only meaning her kids without their spouses. More than a few of these occasions. We hanger on in- law spouses weren't that bothered, it was a bit of a joke between us tbh.
Can't imagine turning it into this type of drama.

It sounds as though it's a drama because it's five days abroad not one evening locally, and the man isn't allowed to say no!

In this case it appears an invitationis a summons.

SummerDive · Today 14:18

pimplebum · Today 11:56

pregnancy should not stop him going nor should a newborn really - he doesn’t need to stay 5 days 2 should do it but he might like 5?

ok for parents to pay but shitty it feels like excluding you

Of course 🙄🙄
Totally normal to go away for a week (because MIL won’t accept anything less) when your wife has high risk pregnancies.
And with a newborn and 2 other young dcs, totally normal that the father goes away on a jolly leaving his dwife. Who needs help eh?
With a bit of luck she won’t have a CS otherwise she’ll just have to enlist her own parents to help…

And then one wonders why men are so shit at being parents when other women set the the so low for them.

EmeraldShamrock000 · Today 14:19

DestinationForOne · Today 08:33

Because if I’m pregnant or have a newborn (wedding is June)

I don’t think that a good enough reason for not going, there is no gaurantee you’ll be pregnant, they sound like a really close family, too close excluding the other family members.

I’d be annoyed and refusing the invitation because my family, wife & DC are excluded.

What kind of weird wedding is this.

SummerDive · Today 14:20

@CreamSecond you seem to have missed the essential part that HER DH doesn’t want to go. And that HE is upset by his mother’s reaction.

Why do you think it’s all about the OP when she is clear they BOTH have the same view on his mother attitude?

getthroughonemoreday · Today 14:23

She sounds nuts, tbh. What a sad way to be! Instead of growing her family circle by inviting in her daughters-in-law and especially all her grandchildren, she's holding them at arm's length.

Loralaughs · Today 14:26

Excuse my ignorance but what does ttc stand for?

KindlySurfiingPlatypus · Today 14:27

Loralaughs · Today 14:26

Excuse my ignorance but what does ttc stand for?

Trying To Conceive

ForPlumReader · Today 14:27

We're not joined at the hip and are happy to attend events without each other (especially if other partners are doing likewise). I'm not sure he can't go alone, if nothing else it keeps the peace.

hellospring26 · Today 14:36

You no are nothing the wrong! If you are TTC crack on, if you’re pregnant, he can leave your side. Not paying for travel is taking the pissvthough.

SweetnsourNZ · Today 14:38

What sort of wedding only invites one half of partners. Most weddings have a party with dancing after. Are the brothers expected to dance with each other. Weird. Nah, she is controlling. Your husband needs to tell her he has his own family now. If it was about cost I would have framed it that I can pay half rather than just my son.

BillyBites · Today 14:47

So, she wants your DH to honour and celebrate the sanctity of his niece’s marriage but clearly doesn’t extend that respect to his own?

Notonthestairs · Today 14:53

So…

The MIL refused to invite her children’s spouses to niece’s wedding because they would distract from ‘family’.

Grandchildren are not invited* - maybe because that might necessitate attendance of children’s spouses?

So it’s more important to exclude spouses even if that means no grandchildren in order to force MILs adult children to focus on the family occasion/celebration of marriage.

*SIL (MILs daughter) can bring her children. Is she mother of the bride? Is she allowed to bring her spouse (possible father of the bride)?

Is that correct? If so it’s kind of fascinating.

CreamSecond · Today 14:57

It sounds as though it's a drama because it's five days abroad not one evening locally, and the man isn't allowed to say no!

Mil lived 350 miles away so not really an evening locally either. People are different. I truly wasn't bothered. Nor were the others who lived half that distance so hardly local either. It was events like her 70th and pils 70th. And one wedding to boot albeit a cousin I'd never met. I really couldn't be bothered getting stressy about it.

Chilly80 · Today 14:57

What horrid people

CreamSecond · Today 14:58

Not the same as a 5 day trip though

But it was though. As I've said, 350 miles.

CreamSecond · Today 15:01

Totally normal to go away for a week (because MIL won’t accept anything less) when your wife has high risk pregnancies

All my posts are on the premise that op is not actually pregnant and is unlikely to be pregnant exactly at the time of the wedding. If she was, that would be different. He could then drop out with good reason.

Bluetray · Today 15:02

She sounds a nasty batshit witch.
What a truly awful family you are involved with.
This is not normal behaviour at all.

Blondeshavemorefun · Today 15:02

So have in-laws paid for all their kids but not their spouses or just excluded you

do the other siblings have kids

does niece want a child free wedding

Bridesmaidorexfriend · Today 15:03

CreamSecond · Today 13:39

Because he doesn’t want to. Lots of people love their wives and children and don’t want to leave them

Lots of people love their spouse and children but aren't joined at the hip.
That's not a proper reason. Do they never do anything apart?

it is a proper reason. There is no one that I would rather spend my time with. If my family aren’t invited then I’m not going. This isn’t a evening out, it’s a whole trip away. Their hope is that she will be heavily pregnant or just have given birth. He, rightly, doesn’t want to leave his family, who aren’t even invited, to go to his nieces wedding. So there’s no arguing whether that’s a proper excuse or not. He doesn’t have to explain anything. In the heirarchy of importance, my heavily pregnant wife/postpartem wife (all being well) is on the top of my list and my nieces wedding is fairly low

CreamSecond · Today 15:07

Their hope is that she will be heavily pregnant or just have given birth. He, rightly, doesn’t want to leave his family, who aren’t even invited, to go to his nieces wedding. So there’s no arguing whether that’s a proper excuse or not

Of course her being heavily pregnant of having a newborn would absolutely be a reason not to go. But op is not pregnant and there is no guarantee it will happen within the next 3 months. If it does then he can drop out.
But is it likely? I wouldn't bet on it.

PrettyPickle · Today 15:07

@DestinationForOne

This isn't about the wedding, this is about MIL trying to reassert a hierarchy where she is the important one, her daughter is the golden child, her granddaughter is the “elevated” one and the sons are expected to fall in line
while wives/partners and grandchildren are treated as optional extras. Your DH stepping out of line, even politely and it triggers a loss of control for her. That’s why she’s reacting so disproportionately. They’re not upset about the wedding, they’re upset that he’s no longer complying with their hierarchy. That’s why the reaction is so extreme. He’s allowed to decline. They’re allowed to be disappointed. But they’re not allowed to punish him for prioritising his own family.

In MIL's mind compliance = harmony, boundaries = conflict, wives = competition
children = distractions, the golden child = untouchable. Your DH is saying “no” which seems to be the first time he’s disrupted the pattern. That’s why it’s WW3. Buts its a really healthy thing for him to do (all though it might not feel like it) and very supportive of him.

“We want him there as a son, not a husband or father.” This is not normal. It’s an attempt to de‑prioritise his nuclear family and pull him back into the role she prefers. It’s also a subtle way of saying: “Your wife and children dilute your loyalty to us.” and also that they come before you and his kids....except his niece's marriage never should come before his his kids and their mother.

Excluding the spouse and children from a family wedding - This is not “just how they do things.” It’s a deliberate boundary: “We decide who counts as family.”

“Other wives accept this.” What she is saying is : “Everyone else complies. Why aren’t you?” This is classic enmeshment pressure, tell her “Other families make their own choices. We’re making the right one for ours.” This stops comparison dead. “I need my children there. ” She doesn’t mean all her children. She means: “I need my children in the roles I assign them.”

The TTC issue - the posters who say TTC “isn’t relevant” are missing the point.
It is relevant because it could be a high‑risk pregnancy, possible newborn, five‑day trip abroad, emotional stress, and physical limitations. And he may need the 5 days at home. Your DH is allowed to consider his wife’s health and his children’s needs. That’s what a functioning adult does.

The ‘next of kin’ comment, well that's not just odd, it’s revealing and a bit control freaky in my mind. It shows she sees herself as still the primary woman in his life, still entitled to make decisions still central in his identity and that's not healthy.

Your DH isn’t being unreasonable at all. His parents are trying to pull him back into a role where they get to define who “counts” as family, and they’re excluding you and your DC because they want him focused on them. That’s not normal, and it’s not healthy.

Your husband doesn't owe them his personal life and your private details but he does need to set boundaries going forward. He needs to say something like
“I know the wedding is important to you, and I’m glad you’re excited about it. But I’m not able to commit to travelling abroad next June. We have things going on here as a family that mean I need to stay close to home. I’m sorry if that’s disappointing, but it’s the right decision for us.”

If they keep pushing he can add something like “My wife and children are my family. Any decision I make has to take them into account.” and/or "“I’m a son, but I’m also a husband and a father. All of those roles matter, and I won’t ignore one to satisfy another.”

Good luck OP!

Notonthestairs · Today 15:08

CreamSecond · Today 14:58

Not the same as a 5 day trip though

But it was though. As I've said, 350 miles.

Well it’s nice that you thought it was great.

The OP’s husband doesn’t.

SamTR1 · Today 15:08

Do your research before marrying into a bonkers family.