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Just walked out on kids

159 replies

patiencehasgone · Today 09:24

Just that, really.

9 and 12 years old. Constantly fucking bickering.

Do not listened to me when I ask them to stop. Or listen full stop really.

They started arguing over a fucking face towel, so I said ‘nope, not having this be my life’ grabbed my bag and keys, got in my car and have driven round the corner and parked up.

not really sure what I do from here really.

OP posts:
beaglescurleduplikebagels · Today 10:42

ERthree · Today 10:12

They are not toddlers.

Yes, I know - I still wouldn't walk out on a 9yo without saying where I was going or what I was doing.

TheSmellOfSea · Today 10:42

patiencehasgone · Today 10:29

No, thank god!!!

a few years ago I had the amazing idea for them to share a room, so they could have a room for just sleeping, and then a play room with all
their toys and crafts in there.

remind me to tell my partner later that he’s a genius for saying no to that!

That's good. At least they can be sent to their respective rooms.

itsgettingweird · Today 10:42

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:25

It’s not about moddycoddling, it’s about following the law and child safeguarding guidelines.

There’s no law about the age you can leave children.

Safeguarding wouldn’t be initiated unless they were neglected or at risk.

Nice try at being smuggity smugface though!

OneNewLeader · Today 10:42

EwwStew · Today 10:15

You are the one they learn their conflict resolution and communication skills from.

Why haven't you taught them better?

I’m not entirely sure I agree. My parents were calm, reasonable and patient. They believed in talking things through and I can’t really remember them raising their voices. They were also firm and carried through with the consequences.

In a big family you can get different personalities and regardless of what was modelled, encouraged and rewarded, 3 of us would get into it. My parents despaired, we ruined it for the others on more than one occasion. Did we care, nope. What did we learn, not much.

Flamingojune · Today 10:43

Can't you make the bickering into a joke. I mean a face towel is not a heavy duty argument

ilovesushi · Today 10:43

Deep breathes op. They were being twats and you needed a moment's peace and sanity. When you are ready go back in there. xxx

itsgettingweird · Today 10:43

socks1107 · Today 10:36

I stopped all playing out, all play dates etc at about this age and told them unless the bickering stopped I assumed that is how they behaved with others and therefore couldn’t be trusted to be with others. They needed to get along themselves first.
soon stopped, now at 22 and 20 they are pretty close but at times I’d have loved to walk away for an hour 🤣

That’s genius.

TheSmellOfSea · Today 10:44

Flamingojune · Today 10:43

Can't you make the bickering into a joke. I mean a face towel is not a heavy duty argument

I'm guessing this is the straw.......

ConstitutionHill · Today 10:44

Their dad needs to read them the riot act when they get home. You need a completely united front.

gogooutdoors · Today 10:45

How did you manage that? Mine would have followed me out the front door and stood in the driveway asking where I was going without them.

WeddingDressguest · Today 10:47

Makebelieveanotherlife · Today 10:07

so why didn’t you both stop when she told you?

if you were terrified after it happened once, that would have stuck and you wouldn’t have done this again

Ah victim blaming of primary school age children.

Are you honestly saying that 2 primary school age children should be blamed for the actions a grown adult screaming, shouting, door slamming, locking us in and leaving us scared and alone for over hour? Just because we were bickering?

Children aren't adults. Children often aren't capable of emotional regulation or stopping fighting with siblings.

The grown adult is capable of not screaming and shouting and abandoning children.

The grown adult is capable of behaving better.

Im disgusted by your comment and really hope youre not a parent.

mangopine · Today 10:48

WhatsForDinner100 · Today 10:39

Deep breath.

Go back, with a calm smile and just say that you popped out to the shops.
My two used to fight like cat and dog, it was awful, but it's a phase (although long and tedious).

Focus on the long term - you want to maintain a lifelong, good relationship with them and for them to be best friends too. Yes, it will be tough for a few years, but you will have a lifetime of friendship if you can hold the family together whilst they are teens.

Separate them for a bit - maybe games console if you are happy with who their friends are online (warning, this becomes very important as they move fhrough the teenage years). Do some art work, go for a walk (ignore the whinging, they get over it after 20 mins). It's nearly the end of the holidays and they are probably getting bored and ready to see their friends again.

Mine are in their early 20s now and are the best of friends, absolutely adore each other and calm has returned!

Edited

Put a smile on her face? What just completely invalidate her own feelings and experiences and suck up being treated like shit? Absolutely not, that’s how entitled little pricks are bred. I personally level with my kids, if they’re being dicks, I tell them they’re being dicks, I don’t tolerate being made to feel shit by my kids any more than I would my husband or anyone else. People should have boundaries and expectations. Being a mother does not mean being a doormat.

Jellycatspyjamas · Today 10:48

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:37

You aren’t correct. Children cannot care to for a younger sibling until the age of 14. The police could have been called and off the back of that SS could have become involved. OP needs to be aware of that incase she wants to do that again.

Nope, if you leave your child with someone under 18 you retain responsibility for their safety and welfare, so if something happened you’d be accountable but there’s no lower age to leave children alone.

Sartre · Today 10:49

Nousernameideaaga · Today 09:26

My mum did this to me when I was 8

I have never forgiven her.

What to her was getting a few moments peace , was to me , a child, my mother abandoning me

Go home OP, deep breaths

Your life is supremely privileged if you never got over this. Surely you can see as an adult you’d pushed her to her limits and rather than do something stupid (as in lash out at you), she removed herself from the situation. I grew up in an abusive home so I have to say, you need to give your mum a break if this is the worst thing she did to you. Try having a mum who lets her boyfriend beat you up.

Puddlewoman · Today 10:51

WeddingDressguest · Today 10:47

Ah victim blaming of primary school age children.

Are you honestly saying that 2 primary school age children should be blamed for the actions a grown adult screaming, shouting, door slamming, locking us in and leaving us scared and alone for over hour? Just because we were bickering?

Children aren't adults. Children often aren't capable of emotional regulation or stopping fighting with siblings.

The grown adult is capable of not screaming and shouting and abandoning children.

The grown adult is capable of behaving better.

Im disgusted by your comment and really hope youre not a parent.

You are misunderstanding probably on purpose but just in case, If you are terrified of something (your word) you don't actively seek it out.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:52

Happytaytos · Today 10:39

Where is this law?

It’s safeguarding guidelines within the NSPCC which is used as part of Education. The reason you won’t find fixed ages within law is because it’s dependant on the individual. For example if it was written into law that ALL children from secondary school age could be left alone then you allow no grey area for those with additional needs/disabilities/illness etc. Because of this there are frameworks and safeguarding guidelines used by agencies.

The parent has the ability to use their own discretion as to the right age for independence however it has to be reasonable AND you cannot leave an older child in charge of a younger child until they are 14. That’s why babysitters are fourteen and over.

If you can be proved to be unreasonable, say you leave your eleven year old at home all day in the summer holidays and they set the house on fire accidentally, then you can be prosecuted. You can’t rely on a piece of law to say, ‘oh they said eleven was fine.’ It’s your judgement at that point and for some people eleven seems reasonable for being home alone and for others that might wait until the child is sixteen.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:52

Jellycatspyjamas · Today 10:48

Nope, if you leave your child with someone under 18 you retain responsibility for their safety and welfare, so if something happened you’d be accountable but there’s no lower age to leave children alone.

How have you just proved me incorrect? 🤭

Calliopespa · Today 10:54

TheLivelyCat · Today 09:37

There is no set legal minimum age to leave a child home alone in the UK, but the law states it is an offense to leave a child if it places them at risk. Official guidelines from the NSPCC advise that children under 12 are rarely mature enough to cope with an emergency and should not be left alone for long periods

... especially not if they are arguing...

Nousernameideaaga · Today 10:54

hugasaurus · Today 09:37

You’ve never forgiven her? Wow. I feel sorry for her.

It’s fine, OP, calm down and then go back and hopefully they will be suitably chagrined.

Wow. Do you ? Have you met my mother?

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:55

itsgettingweird · Today 10:42

There’s no law about the age you can leave children.

Safeguarding wouldn’t be initiated unless they were neglected or at risk.

Nice try at being smuggity smugface though!

I literally had yearly KCSIE training convering this lol. No smugness here at all.

Rhaidimiddim · Today 10:55

patiencehasgone · Today 10:16

Home now, two sheepish children greeted me, apologies were given, explanations about how their bickering makes me feel were repeated.

both have been sent to their rooms to tidy, and then read or do something crafty whilst I have a cuppa and decompress.

will talk again later once things are calmer.

Yeah, their dad is in the picture - we all live together as a family unit

Well done you!

Hopefully the message will stick this time.

It is useful for children to be reminded that their parents are people, too.

BogRollBOGOF · Today 10:56

Flamingojune · Today 10:43

Can't you make the bickering into a joke. I mean a face towel is not a heavy duty argument

Mine fall out over heavy duty issues like breathing Grin

TheSmellOfSea · Today 10:56

Nousernameideaaga · Today 10:54

Wow. Do you ? Have you met my mother?

So there's more than this one off situation?

ERthree · Today 10:59

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:41

That’s something entirely different. No child would be able to be a carer for an adult without capacity. Child carers are supported within a framework and only for adults that still have the ability to administer care to their child, but perhaps unable to have full motility due to a disability.

Edited

Do you really believe that? There are many that are just left to get on with it. We live in a real world not one that is wrapped in a rose tinted hue.

itsgettingweird · Today 11:00

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · Today 10:52

It’s safeguarding guidelines within the NSPCC which is used as part of Education. The reason you won’t find fixed ages within law is because it’s dependant on the individual. For example if it was written into law that ALL children from secondary school age could be left alone then you allow no grey area for those with additional needs/disabilities/illness etc. Because of this there are frameworks and safeguarding guidelines used by agencies.

The parent has the ability to use their own discretion as to the right age for independence however it has to be reasonable AND you cannot leave an older child in charge of a younger child until they are 14. That’s why babysitters are fourteen and over.

If you can be proved to be unreasonable, say you leave your eleven year old at home all day in the summer holidays and they set the house on fire accidentally, then you can be prosecuted. You can’t rely on a piece of law to say, ‘oh they said eleven was fine.’ It’s your judgement at that point and for some people eleven seems reasonable for being home alone and for others that might wait until the child is sixteen.

More rubbish.

The NSPcC government document clearly states if you leave a child at home with someone under 16 your are responsible for their welfare.

Nothing about 14 or a law.

You seriously need to STOP posting bollocks as fact.

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