AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?

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Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK
UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

OP you won’t get many rational responses on here, the gaslighting on this thread is crazy

There was a post recently about a male asylum seeker that ended up raping a man as well

This government keeps telling us we are safe from these men when we're clearly not otherwise they wouldn't need these leaflets.
They could have done a list of expected behaviours and laws they shouldn't need to be told that sex with children is illegal. And I say that as someone who was raped at 6 year old by a white relative and it's actually offensive to keep saying "but we have our own", yes we do so we really don't need to import any more.
There's a York Labour mp who has piped up about migrants in Linton on Ouse because it's a tiny village with nothing there but one of her issues is that there is a nursery and school near the camp. Now why would she be worried about that if there is nothing to see here?
At this point they should all be detained and deported.

I know. Staggering isn't it. not surprising though..

It is a bad idea to allow men from countries with extreme levels of misogyny and (sexual) violence against women and girls embedded into the culture, who frequently have been traumatised by war, into the country. They have grown up in an environment where women are considered lesser, and treated as lesser, where men are entitled to use women and girls sexually, and that is the socialisation they have received.

It is gaslighting and denial of reality to try to insist to women that men from countries with those extremely misogynistic cultures do not pose more of a threat them. It's like trying to argue that a dog raised in a fighting ring poses no more risk to other dogs or humans than a well-trained farm dog does; don't be so bloody stupid.

Keep the men out (let in any women and young children), and give out that kind of material on consent to boys in schools in the UK, as they could do with it.

I agree. Unfortunately many will call us far right racist bigots for such views, to try and close down legitimate concerns. Well, it’s going to affect them soon too.

One might also argue that Dubai should hand out leaflets saying sex outside marriage is illegal there and expect British people to stick to their laws.

they won’t because people find it hard to believe that other countries have their own laws and they have to stick to them.

more generally, obviously rape and sexual assault are bad things. Research suggests approximately one third of western men have sexually assaulted someone with somewhere between 6–10% have raped someone.

This is American but it’s broadly typical.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10181855/

the argument for asylum is that it saves people’s lives when they are in a very difficult situation - war, etc. almost by definition these people have been exposed to significant violence and are therefore unlikely to fit easily into a society that is not violent.

For example, during the Vietnam war the Hmong people co-operated with the US and as a result were persecuted by the Vietnamese and Laotian state. The vast majority were then given asylum in the US where integration was a massive problem as the Hmong people went from a mountainous region with no roads or railways or schools or written language of any kind to the continental US.

they were seen as violent (which they were) and backward (which by American standards they were)
but the Americans had used them as guerilla warriors in the war in both Laos and Vietnam and so when the Laotian government tried to commit genocide and they fled to Thailand there was international pressure on the US to take them in.

there’s people in Afghanistan that worked for the British while we were in there. Translators, etc etc. they will not have attitudes and understanding that British people have, but equally many would argue that if these people have helped Britain (and they did) we have a responsibility towards them.

and yes, they will need to be taught what our customs are.

Do you really believe that it's the first thing on the mind of those poor young people claiming asylum?

I actually think some of them come for that very purpose.

@lazyarse123
'This government keeps telling us we are safe from these men when we're clearly not otherwise they wouldn't need these leaflets.'

Quite

Judging by statistics, then yes.

It’s an immigration issue if it’s disproportionate to the number of immigrants in society generally. That means they’re more likely than other nationalities to commit sexual assaults!

Well, I'd equate it more to trying to stop further broken legs by teaching people how to do things properly.

The fact is that we're obligated by international law to provide safe refuge to people who need it, and qualify. Sometimes those people come from places with laws similar to ours, and sometimes (a lot of the time) they don't. Many can be taught our ways, and some can't. If we shut the door on the many because of the actions of the few, we'd be in breach of international laws and we'd be abandoning many people to serious harm and/or death.

The same argument can be applied to many situations, not just asylum. Shall we, for instance, ban all dogs because some of them kill? Should we put a curfew on all men because some of them attack women?

Marital rape was legal in the UK within living memory for many posters on here.

A landmark Australian study in 2023 found that 1 in 6 men admit to being sexually attracted to those under the age of 18. And those are the ones who admitted it.

The same study found that 1 in 10 men have sexually offended against minors.

You'd have to have been living under a rock not to have been aware of the debate over the treatment of rape victims in UK courts - delving into their sexual history and their wardrobes.

So to be honest I'm fully in favour of this pamphlet and it probably needs rolling out to our schools en masse.

There are banned breeds of dog for a reason.

There's shitty people in the west. But any woman would thank her lucky stars to be a woman in the UK rather than be born in Sudan

Well yes, seeing as loads of them do

Where would you rather your DD move to start a career - London or Khartoum?

The percentage of British nationals is higher because we are in Britain!

Yes we have our own issues with sex offenders which is part of why we don't want more.

Also if you look at the statistics per capita then you are way more likely to get raped by a foreign national

In places like Denmark where the data break down is more available it shows that foreign nationals are responsible for three times as many rates per capita of 10,000 people. This includes the first generation children of foreign migrants. Data from across Europe in the countries that provide it is vary similar. Undocumented migrants are a potential danger as well as allowing often known foreign criminals and convicted sex attacked to stay here because of their human rights. What about the right of the women and occasionally men they attack

Quite. Why don’t people (women) holiday in Sudan, Afghanistan, Eritrea? Anyone? Those who welcome unchecked migrants why don’t you pop over for a jolly and see how you get on.

What statistics? Do British men rape more children than non British men - and please take proportionality into account or else whatever you say is meaningless.

Sure. Not suggesting it's an exact comparison.

Here’s the thing: male asylum seekers will often plead innocence of the law or lack of understanding of sexual norms. However they certainly wouldn’t be running around Afghanistan or Iraq sexually assaulting women so it beggars belief that they think they can do it here. Newsflash: they think Western women are slags and fair game. So before anyone on here defends them, they wouldn’t piss you on you if you were on fire so don’t waste your energy. I work with asylum seekers by the way.