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AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?

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bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:26

Don't rape, sexually assault or make kissing noises' at people, asylum seekers warned in guidance about living in UK
UK arrivals have been told to treat women equally, not sexually assault partners or have sex with children in a new Home Office pamphlet. As well as the guidebook, a series of posters have also been designed by the government.

https://news.sky.com/story/asylum-seekers-warned-not-to-make-kissing-sounds-at-people-in-new-guidance-about-living-in-uk-13574744

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bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:57

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/08/2026 20:50

Wait for the sea of ‘but white British men rape you anyway’ as some sort of excuse as to justify letting men in from misogynistic cultures and from countries no woman would go anywhere near. Every thread.

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I know. it's so depressing, expected though of course. I can't work out if its blatant stupidity, or nefarious. I think it's stupidity a lot of the time, but also nefarious a lot too, tbh. Handmaidens be kind etc, then stupid people, but also men who know it's another way to control women. Same happened with twaw didn't it.

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bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:59

HewasH2O · 19/08/2026 20:44

Each new generation of men & women need to know the expectations off the society they are entering, whether born in the UK or elsewhere. In the same way as a family going to the US on holiday may not realise that their children can't drink until they are 21 regardless of the law in the UK.

Do you really believe that it's the first thing on the mind of those poor young people claiming asylum?

No the first thing they're thinking about is being safe. That's why they didn't stop in Greece, or France, or Spain etc.

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Octavia64 · 19/08/2026 21:00

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:49

Don't rape children? You think your ever day British bloke needs to be guided not to rape children?

Yes I bloody do.

i remember the days when the sun would do a countdown of the days until a particular celebrity was aged 16 and could legally have sex. Rinse and repeat, very very frequently. Emma Watson and Charlotte church were both subjected to this.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/dec/29/leveson-inquiry-sexist-offensive-reporting?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

so few rapes are prosecuted and convicted that frankly those stats tell you more about which groups of men are stupid enough to leave evidence then anything else.

One in four women have been raped or sexually abused. One in six children have.

https://caraessex.org.uk/statisticsaboutsexualviolence.php

yes, we need to give this to all men!

Leveson inquiry given examples of 'sexist and offensive' reporting

Articles from the Telegraph, Sun and Sunday Sport criticised as sexualising women and misrepresenting rape research findings

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/dec/29/leveson-inquiry-sexist-offensive-reporting?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

takealettermsjones · 19/08/2026 21:00

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:57

I know. it's so depressing, expected though of course. I can't work out if its blatant stupidity, or nefarious. I think it's stupidity a lot of the time, but also nefarious a lot too, tbh. Handmaidens be kind etc, then stupid people, but also men who know it's another way to control women. Same happened with twaw didn't it.

It seems more stupid to me to start a thread and then almost immediately resort to calling people who disagree stupid handmaidens rather than engaging constructively, personally. But your mileage may vary.

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:02

nomas · 19/08/2026 20:53

Why are you only bothered by black and brown men ignoring the ‘don’t rape women’ law? Why not white men?

See my comment to @Leapintothelightning above

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bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:03

NancyThompson · 19/08/2026 20:56

They know. They don't care.

Agreed

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EmeraldRoulette · 19/08/2026 21:03

@HewasH2O “Do you really believe that it's the first thing on the mind of those poor young people claiming asylum?”

are you for real? “The poor people”.

Hadush Gerberslasie Kebatu might have the record here, having been in the country eight days before committing his first two offences of sexual assault.

EmeraldRoulette · 19/08/2026 21:06

@Octavia64 it is a huge problem. I agree.

So why are we encouraging it?

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:06

takealettermsjones · 19/08/2026 21:00

It seems more stupid to me to start a thread and then almost immediately resort to calling people who disagree stupid handmaidens rather than engaging constructively, personally. But your mileage may vary.

Fair enough - that was my honest opinion. I can't see why else people are enabling sex assaults on women and girls (and now old men). And I Really can't see how people can't understand proportionality. Unless it's on purpose.

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Wingingit73 · 19/08/2026 21:07

Here is another race thread.

MiceSpiders · 19/08/2026 21:08

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:37

Regardless. Don't you see? That doesn't matter - the end product / result is the same. And a leaflet won't change it. As proven actually by the comment above who stated these leaflets have been available for 'a long time'.

I work with sex offenders, the overwhelming majority are white British born men. HTH

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:09

MiceSpiders · 19/08/2026 21:08

I work with sex offenders, the overwhelming majority are white British born men. HTH

Why do you think that is? Think v-e-r-y carefully

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EmeraldRoulette · 19/08/2026 21:10

MiceSpiders · 19/08/2026 21:08

I work with sex offenders, the overwhelming majority are white British born men. HTH

Again, how do you think this breaks down in context of the wider population?

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:10

Wingingit73 · 19/08/2026 21:07

Here is another race thread.

What do you mean by 'race'?

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takealettermsjones · 19/08/2026 21:10

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:06

Fair enough - that was my honest opinion. I can't see why else people are enabling sex assaults on women and girls (and now old men). And I Really can't see how people can't understand proportionality. Unless it's on purpose.

People are not trying to enable sex assaults on women and girls - quite the opposite, as the existence of this leaflet shows. I don't see how a piece of information designed to explain how the laws are different in the UK at the first possible opportunity can be anything other than an attempt to help women and girls.

saveforthat · 19/08/2026 21:10

MiceSpiders · 19/08/2026 21:08

I work with sex offenders, the overwhelming majority are white British born men. HTH

Well of course they are because the majority of the population are white British.

ThunderThunderThunderThunderCats · 19/08/2026 21:11

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:45

Some basic data from the MoJ

'Data from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), obtained by the the Centre for Migration Control think tank under freedom of information laws, has revealed that 26% of 1,453 sex assault convictions on women last year were foreign nationals.
Indian nationals accounted for the highest number in foreign national convictions in 2024, with 38.
Romanians nationals were second with 27 assault, joint with Polish nationals also on 27.
Pakistani nationals accounted for 20 sexual assault conviction while 19 Afghan nationals were convicted.

While accounting for 26% of sexual assault convictions last year, foreign nationals make up 10.9% of the population.
More than a fifth of all rape convictions last year were also foreign nationals.
They made up 155 of the 720 convictions for “rape of a female aged 16 or over”, with a further 42 convictions being an “unknown” nationality.'

There are examples in the news every day. And yes before you say but british men rape too, yes we know. We don't need more.

If Romanians and Polish men score higher in the committing assaults than men from Pakistan and Afghanistan it’s nothing to do with culture, religion or asylum seekers! How many asylum seekers come from Europe? 🤨

SpiritAdder · 19/08/2026 21:11

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:45

Some basic data from the MoJ

'Data from the Ministry of Justice (MoJ), obtained by the the Centre for Migration Control think tank under freedom of information laws, has revealed that 26% of 1,453 sex assault convictions on women last year were foreign nationals.
Indian nationals accounted for the highest number in foreign national convictions in 2024, with 38.
Romanians nationals were second with 27 assault, joint with Polish nationals also on 27.
Pakistani nationals accounted for 20 sexual assault conviction while 19 Afghan nationals were convicted.

While accounting for 26% of sexual assault convictions last year, foreign nationals make up 10.9% of the population.
More than a fifth of all rape convictions last year were also foreign nationals.
They made up 155 of the 720 convictions for “rape of a female aged 16 or over”, with a further 42 convictions being an “unknown” nationality.'

There are examples in the news every day. And yes before you say but british men rape too, yes we know. We don't need more.

I found this data table. It is by ethnicity though, not nationality.

AIBU to think if we need to politely ask men not to rape women (or men), then we don't want such people in the UK?
bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 21:12

takealettermsjones · 19/08/2026 21:10

People are not trying to enable sex assaults on women and girls - quite the opposite, as the existence of this leaflet shows. I don't see how a piece of information designed to explain how the laws are different in the UK at the first possible opportunity can be anything other than an attempt to help women and girls.

Possibly an attempt to attempt to be seen to be helping women and girls. A bit like trying to fix a broken leg by putting a plaster on it I suppose.

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SpiritAdder · 19/08/2026 21:14

bobbyydazzler · 19/08/2026 20:59

No the first thing they're thinking about is being safe. That's why they didn't stop in Greece, or France, or Spain etc.

Why would a Romanian or Polish worker be seeking asylum? You’ve jumped a shark by conflating foreign nationals with asylum seekers. There’s a good chance many of the foreign nationals committing rapes are foreign students on University campuses.

Mumterz · 19/08/2026 21:15

The "white man rape too" people will be out in full force today.

Of course we don't need and want these foreign men from the third world coming.

LoveItaly · 19/08/2026 21:15

Pollqueen · 19/08/2026 20:41

YANBU OP but you will be gaslight to death on this thread

Agree. I don’t know why anyone would defend so many young men, who need these things explaining to them, coming into the country. That we have such problems with men already here isn’t a valid reason to bring in more. When women (and increasingly men), can no longer walk the streets for fear of sexual assault maybe the penny will drop. But it will be far too late.

Mumterz · 19/08/2026 21:15

The per capita ignorers will be out in full force

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 19/08/2026 21:16

MiceSpiders · 19/08/2026 21:08

I work with sex offenders, the overwhelming majority are white British born men. HTH

Well obviously, this reflects the demographic make up of the UK. Why is that a reason to allow men in from potentially incompatible misogynistic cultures when it comes to women/homosexuality? We have our own home grown arseholes that we can’t do much about, why let in more?

I also work in criminal justice (nearly 20 years, 5 years spent in sexual offending) and the amount of offending by foreign nationals is going through the roof and putting an unbelievable strain on services where I am. Nationals from Sudan, Eritrea to name a couple. HTH.

Mumterz · 19/08/2026 21:16

LoveItaly · 19/08/2026 21:15

Agree. I don’t know why anyone would defend so many young men, who need these things explaining to them, coming into the country. That we have such problems with men already here isn’t a valid reason to bring in more. When women (and increasingly men), can no longer walk the streets for fear of sexual assault maybe the penny will drop. But it will be far too late.

I say this all the time. There are bad men in the west. That's horrific. No need to import men from nations that are even worse.