Reform want to cut PIP

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Reform want to cut benefits for disabled people. They want businesses to pay more towards sickness etc. I find it repulsive that they want to do this. When will people understand that they are a bunch of self interested sharks who want to make a stack of dosh for themselves while in govt and that they font give a damn about anyone in need. Why cant the most vulnerable ppl who vote for them see thus. It's astonishing. It's ac joke. I eish ppl who get what Reform.iscreally about and how it manipulates would make sn extra effort to tslk to.ppl who dont seem to get it.

PIP is awarded based on how your condition affects your daily living and mobility needs — not on your ability to work. You could be a full-time company director earning six figures and still qualify for PIP if you meet the criteria. 😮

The details will be announced on Monday but money butost severely disabled will not be affected plus more money will be given to councils to fund more adaptations for disabled people. Labour are deciding whether or not to stop anyone under 22 getting low capacity for work money. The welfare bill is very high. The number claiming PIP has quadtippled since 2002. Some amendments have to be made. 1 amendment might be if a person gets PIP then don't give them disability element under UC as this gives double credit for having the disability. Something has to be done because it's not fair for this generation to pass on so much debt to our children and grandchildren's generation.

Which makes no sense, someone earning that money does not need any additional money.

Did you even bother to read the details.🤣

Do you think you're being funny with the use of the word 'crippling', or is this an insight into your personality?

I'm.also sick of the narrative that someone who allegedly bunged someone else 5m quid did it out of the goodness if their heart and doesnt want anything in return. Oh and that the ' establishment' is out to get someone.

I spent the last two years working with Motability customers. Changes were made in July so claimants could no longer choose luxury models like BMW, Mercedes, Lexus etc. The lease now covers 10,000 miles a year rather than 20,000. Tyres are limited to six in a three year lease rather than unlimited. Insurance coverage has been tightened. They tried to include a black box style tracker but made such a hash of it, that has been suspended.

Now the scheme offers a more basic car to people who genuinely need one, and fewer people are applying for them because they can't have all the bells and whistles, leather seats and high end marques.

A sensible compromise.

Why do you think there are so many more people claiming this in the U.K. than in comparable countries? Don’t you think that there is any abuse of the system?

I read that their proposals are based on the Netherlands system. It’s not known for being an evil country that lets the poor and disabled starve.

I share your concerns about Reform but I do think that the benefits system needs reformed. Rather than reduce the bill, I’d like to see the benefits redirected to enhance the lives of those truly in need - the severely disabled, their carers, the parent of children who cannot work due to the severity of their offspring’s conditions. Young people who are scared depressed and insufficiently educated or socialised to work do need help - but lifelong disability benefits are not the answer.

10 years ago 52% of the UK population paid tax.
Now it's 64%.

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They need to start employing more fraud investigators on surveillance. Weed out all the ones who come out on crutches, get jnto their taxpayer funded motor, park up in the next town and go and do park run

I totally agree, that's why the whole system needs an overhaul.

I think the benefit system needs to be looked at. It's not about kicking people when they are down but to make benefits a short stop while people are struggling. Not a lifestyle choice as some people use it.

Well, of course, they do. They are a party of rich toffs, but of the more racist variety than just the usual toffs. They are not exactly the party for the people.

It is an idea worth exploring.

Employment for people with disabilities is very low, far lower than general population.

That's often because people are losing jobs due to absence levels or fluctuating performance due to disability.

Currently absence is not considered a reasonable adjustment. If government gave the allowance to employers rather than direct to claimants it would help that person stay in employment.

I say that as a person on high rate PIP & in employment & as an employer/line manager myself

It does seem ironic given the profile of reform voters. Not sure it’s the answer but I agree PIP has issues. I’ve always found it odd the monetary award has no connection to the actual extra costs you might incur or the cost implications of your particular needs. Hence it becomes part of a family’s general income. But then I acknowledge that it would be administratively impractical to have more different rates/require more details of how it’s spent.

Sad but true.

On another note, I see the Jackanory lot have woken up and found the thread, as I predicted. I do hope you all enjoy spinning your whopping lies tales.

The next election will be fought on tax and spend. Immigration will be relevant in some constituencies but for most people it will be taxes and spending.

Unfortunately for the last 20 years governments have been steadily increasing taxes to fund spending requests from an increasing number of interest groups. Each time one group gets what they lobby for another one pops up. Half the time it’s a government department.

It’s somewhat akin to the merry go round of union pay settlements of the 1970s. Everyone knows it is unsustainable to tax individuals and employers at this level. Everyone knows we can’t continue to borrow to fund this type of spending. Everyone knows we aren’t investing in the things that will make us better off in the long run. Eventually we will reach a limit. When that happens we won’t be able to borrow more and taxation revenue will flatline or fall.

Reform are popularists who amplify problems and rarely offer credible solutions. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem.

But every time we shout about it we get called liberal lefties, virtue signallers and NIMBY’s who don’t understand how hard it is for everyone who is struggling totally due to small boats.
I am getting to the stage that I really can’t shout about it any more because apparently I don’t understand anything and don’t speak for “real people” or “the majority” so I should stop patronising people because I don’t know what it’s really like out there.
Many people have been shouting from the rooftops for a long time but it’s increasingly difficult in a society in which many, many people are actively encouraging punching down.

What will the proposed saving of £50 billion be spent on?

All business, no matter how small will have to take out insurance to cover for illness.

Will women of childbearing age face discrimination?

Their supporters will vote for it because they genuinely believe most in PIP are scroungers and it will never apply to people like them.

Like that daftie that voted Tory for benefits cuts and was devestated when she lost her tax credits and went on question time and everything. To her credit I think she does some Labour supporting/campaigning now.

But she thought it would only apply to other people - not “genuine” people like her.

And the ones in the USA that voted for Trump and ended up with their wife deported.

Why don’t they just euthanise us and have done with it, like in Logan’s Run when their time clocks expired. I’ve been unable to work for many years due to having M.S and kidney disease. Prior to this I was very healthy, had a good job in Local Government, I’ve never smoked and don’t drink alcohol, I remember saying to my Dr “why me?” I was sobbing my heart out, he put his arm around me and reassured me he was there for me (a lovely man, I’ve known him for years)

i don’t feel guilty anymore for claiming Pip and employment support allowance. I’ve tried to work, then ended up relapsing, but we seem to be picked on constantly by every government. I have no choice. Labour has just cancelled the two children cap for benefits, having more children is a choice 🤷‍♀️

This. It needs to be focused on the most disabled. I see way too many getting it for very little and people exaggerating difficulties to get it. The money saved needs to be ploughed into reducing NHS wait lists and better therapy.

This is exactly the thing I want to hear from a mainstream government. Cutting benefits is a key issue for me. I am sick of working my ass off for not much return. Meanwhile people claim tax free PIP are swanning around with a better lifestyle than us.

we went on holiday abroad recently and met a family with 3 kids, we got talking to them, they were in low wage occupations so wondered how they could afford the holiday, they then told us that all 3 kids had autism, so the PIP was paying for it no doubt.

Kids don't get pip

They will have to reapply for PIP after normally 3 years.
The reapplication process is complicated, long drawn out, very worrying if you are relying on those benefits.

I know this because I support a relation with chronic disability. He is unable to function without ongoing assistance and is mostly bedbound. He will never be able to work again. He has to reapply every three years, often is told he no longer qualifies (on some technicality). We appeal - have several months of worry because the whole family would struggle if he lost his PIP. It's always reinstated but it's always a terrible worry.

The person you know will have to go through this soon.

Being alcoholic, addicted to drugs and suffereing after a stroke is far from most people's idea of 'a nice life'.

Edited to add - PIP is for people who need help managing their day to day life. That can mean helping them get to work - or it can me helping them get to the shop or the bath.0