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AIBU to think empty first class should be opened on crowded trains?

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boredsoscrollingonMNagain · 15/08/2026 13:57

I was on a long journey this weekend , It was a 5 and a half hour journey with one change.

our first train was massively delayed , meaning we missed our next one. But , we coped and it’s all done now and we will get compensated .

However , I was really cross at this:

We had reserved seats on both trains. We don’t travel on trains with no reserved seats as my eldest is autistic and gets distressed with nowhere to sit. He prefers a certain seat, so we always try for that, but the main thing is he has a seat. The train was taken from 9 to 4 carriages so all reservations cancelled and this first train was a 2 hr journey for us. My husband wasn’t with us and we had large cases so I was stressed ! My eldest was obviously worried - luckily we found seats and all was ok . But , when the train came in I saw a carriage empty and my worry was getting these cases on alone and having no space , so I went to the empty carriage and was turned away because it was first class. We got on fine in the end, thanks to the help of lovely strangers and we got seats right next to first class and I could see in and it said all seats were available- not reserved - and maybe 2 people in the whole carriage. For the whole journey , the other carriages were like sardines - it was awful. They announced they couldn’t get the refreshment trolley out because it was so busy ( also it was during a heatwave ) . First class was empty. I saw a family - including a woman with a tiny baby in a carrier and young children, turfed out. I saw many families struggling to find places to sit.

Now , I understand if you have paid for first class and the carriage was full of people who hadn’t , you would be angry . I agree if you have paid first class you should be able to sit in it. But if it’s empty , why were people turfed out when everyone’s reserved seats were cancelled ? I would understand if first class was busy , so all were reserved and they kept that carriage for that reason - it costs a lot . I also would understand if maybe they usually had 2 first class carriages ( I don’t know if they do ) , took one off , so kept all the first class seats for those with first class tickets , but on a first come first served basis. But to have them all free , the whole journey , with lots of people - families coming back from holiday - who reserved seats for a long journey and lost them , standing and struggling - but then keep it empty and leave people standing , and actively turn people holding babies in arms away - I found this disgusting !

Just to add - this isn’t about me wanting to go in first class , we had seats , we were ok and I did offer my seat up too.

OP posts:
Vse500 · 17/08/2026 19:24

concertinacornflake · 15/08/2026 14:05

Yes, imagine if a standard class passenger breathed near to you? It would be awful.
They might be wearing polyester, you could get a static shock if they touch you.

Don’t be ridiculous it’s not about that, it’s about the huge difference in price people are paying.

Badbadbunny · 17/08/2026 19:30

Vse500 · 17/08/2026 19:24

Don’t be ridiculous it’s not about that, it’s about the huge difference in price people are paying.

I agree. If the first price "premium" was nominal, then fair enough, but when it can be three times the price of a standard ticket, the people paying it are entitled to some benefits. Someone paying a tenner extra, then fair enough if it's rammed full, but when someone has paid £150 more than a standard priced ticket, they do deserve a better experience.w

dh280125 · 17/08/2026 21:56

Goldenbear · 17/08/2026 11:50

Except the railways receive substantial subsidies from the Government which is obviously paid for by all tax payers why should I subsidise first class travel and stand when I have no seat?

Because your problem shouldn’t have been caused by the operator; but the logical conclusion of that should not be that the service someone else paid for should also be compromised.

Missey85 · 18/08/2026 05:32

Wingingit73 · 17/08/2026 19:05

There shouldn't even be first class. Same for everyone.

It's how it works in Australia 🦘 there's only different classes if you catch the interstate train 🚆 😊

Badbadbunny · 18/08/2026 08:10

Missey85 · 18/08/2026 05:32

It's how it works in Australia 🦘 there's only different classes if you catch the interstate train 🚆 😊

Same in the uk. Most shorter/local trains don’t have first class.

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