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AIBU to think my friend should just accept I am marrying her ex?

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BePearlTiger · Today 10:45

I’m 35 and have been with my partner for 4 years. We actually met again completely by chance after many years of not seeing each other, hit it off, were messaging for a week or so and decided to go on a date and he asked to meet up for a coffee and a walk. Before we had even been on our first date, I told my friend that we had hit it off messaging and we’re going for coffee because I wanted to be upfront with her.

He had been her boyfriend at university when they were around 18–20. They were together for about 2 years. They broke up nearly 20 years ago and obviously people change enormously between 18 and 36.

When I told her, after a couple time of meeting him that we are officially seeing each other I specifically asked if she had a problem with it. She said no, so I took that at face value. I wasn’t sneaking around or getting into a relationship with her ex behind her back. I actually even told her before we’d been on the first date.

We’ve now been together for 4 years. We moved in together & he proposed earlier this year and I said yes. We’re very happy, are buying a house together and would like to have children. We have a wedding date set for next June, invitations have gone out and our university friends have been absolutely lovely about it , RSVPs, messages, people booking hotels etc. They’re genuinely excited for us.

When I told this particular friend about the engagement, she said, “Oh, are you going to marry my ex?” I reminded her that we’d been together for 4 years and that I had told her about us from the very beginning. She then said that she’d only said she had no problem with it because she didn’t think we would last.
That has really thrown me.

I completely understand that she might have complicated feelings about it. I’m not trying to tell her how she should feel. But at some point, surely you have to accept that this was a relationship from university when you were 18 years old?

It’s not as though they were together for 15 years, were engaged, had children or had some huge life together. They were university sweethearts for a couple of years, nearly 20 years ago. She has since married, had children and divorced. He and I have now built an actual adult life together over the last four years.

And honestly, I find it particularly difficult because I had exactly the reverse situation myself. One of my friends married someone I had dated at university. I was 18. They got together years later and eventually married and have children. I genuinely didn't have an issue with it. I thought, “We were teenagers at university, life moved on,” and I was happy for them.

So I’m struggling with why I’m apparently supposed to feel guilty now.

I also wonder whether this friendship may simply be worth losing if this is something she can’t move past. Obviously I’d rather not lose a friend, but I don’t think I can spend the rest of my life feeling that I’ve done something wrong by marrying my partner.

All our other university friends seem completely happy for us and are looking forward to the wedding. Nobody else seems to see this as some enormous betrayal.

AIBU to think she needs to let this go? I can understand her feeling upset, but I don’t think she gets a veto over a relationship that started nearly 20 years after theirs ended.

Or am I being completely insensitive about the fact that, regardless of how long ago it was, he will always be “her ex” to her?

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BePearlTiger · Today 12:30

Francine84 · Today 12:25

Personally I feel like a friend’s ex is off limits regardless of how long it’s been since they broke up. There are a lot of people in the world so it’s quite easy to not go out someone that a loved one used to date.

But you’re 4 years in now and you’re going to do what you want anyway. But don’t be surprised if you lose your friendship over this. Because you crossed that line and knew exactly what you were doing when you started dating him.

That’s understandable. I think she should get over the 20 year old boy she knew considering she’s since married and had children with someone else. I think a lot of the things she has said have been quite irrational but I do not dismiss that she can be upset. She is allowed to be upset. Just because anyone has dated anyone doesn’t mean you own them. If they’d married and had children I would be very much in the wrong but they were ages 18 - 20 it’s child’s play. Of course many relationships last from 18 - 20 but they build a life together. They did not build a life together she met someone else.

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · Today 12:31

She’s not a close friend so let it go.

getthroughonemoreday · Today 12:31

I might feel weird about a friend marrying someone I'd dated for two years, no matter how many years ago it had been, but she was wrong to make an issue of it. Unless she's happy to lose the friendship herself, she should have put on a smile and told herself to get over it. It's embarrassing, frankly, that she's done anything other than wish you happiness.

Of course I'd lose a friend rather than end a promising relationship that's so serious you're planning to marry. Sorry, but that's just how it is! If she can't accept that life has moved on, the friendship will have to end.

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · Today 12:31

BePearlTiger · Today 12:28

Fair enough I think I can make a post to rant about something without needed to apply every little detail verbatim

If you make a post and tell us how irrational and upsetting she’s been without actually telling us the irrational and upsetting things she’s said until later in the thread, I’m not sure what sort of response you’re expecting?

cadburyegg · Today 12:32

I’d find it so weird if my friend started dating my first love. I don’t want to be with him, I want him to be happy but I don’t want him in my life in any way shape or form. If you valued the friendship so much you wouldn’t have let it get past the first few dates. So let it fizzle out.

BePearlTiger · Today 12:32

MyNeedyLilacBird · Today 12:16

How close is this friend? I'd have thought she'd have met up with you and your now fiancé in the 4 years you've been together!

It almost sounds like he broke up with her and she was really upset and hasn't got over him. Maybe she was hoping you 2 would break up eventually and they'd find their way back to each other like some fairytale romance.

I'd possibly consider backing away from the friendship if it's not that close now anyway especially if she's having wild ideas about them getting together (not saying she is just a possibly if there are unresolved feelings on her part)

We aren’t the closest. We have the same group of friends from university, there’s 8 of us some are bound to be closer than others. The others think this isn’t rational or normal. There’s been more to it I just don’t think I need to share every little detail or what has been said verbatim since she found out he proposed to me.

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geniusinajar · Today 12:33

You both have a right to feel how you feel but first loves are not the same as other relationships, they can be massively formative and intense and shape the outlook of those involved for years to come.

I don't think you are wrong at all but I also completely understand how she must feel if he was her first love.

BettyJoanPerske · Today 12:33

She needs to get over it. That said, if she wants to stop being friends with you, obviously that's her prerogative. What she doesn't get to do is make out that you wronged her in any way.

BePearlTiger · Today 12:34

What constitutes first love? Last time I checked I do know her and she was in a relationship before him? So I would like to know what counts as first love and what doesn’t ?

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SandboxSalsa · Today 12:35

This is absolutely her issue and not yours. She lost the right to make it yours when you checked with her - and a lot of people wouldn't have done that.

Sadly, the friendship clearly isn't going to make it, but I can't see you should have done anything differently here.

GoldenSandy · Today 12:35

Gemilo · Today 12:10

So he finished with her. And he was her first love. You can see why she might be a bit upset.

15+ years ago. And was asked if she was ok with it very early on and said it was fine. She now thinks it's appropriate to have a problem with it when they're getting married as though she'll not marry him anyway (well within her rights to!).

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · Today 12:36

BePearlTiger · Today 12:34

What constitutes first love? Last time I checked I do know her and she was in a relationship before him? So I would like to know what counts as first love and what doesn’t ?

There’s no legal definition of the term. It’s not been trademarked or anything. 😂

You’re not even close friends. I genuinely don’t even understand why you’re so bothered. What are you hoping to get from this thread?

Lugol · Today 12:36

BettyJoanPerske · Today 12:33

She needs to get over it. That said, if she wants to stop being friends with you, obviously that's her prerogative. What she doesn't get to do is make out that you wronged her in any way.

Similarly OP doesn't get to demand she feels one way when she doesn't.

She can feel however she feels.

TofuTuesday · Today 12:36

I feel like you might be overplaying the time here. You are 35 and met him again four years ago, so 31. They dated aged 18-20. So really 10/11 years after them you started dating.
I personally wouldn’t date someone’s fairly significant ex but I agree with other posters that it probably means the end of your friendship.

OldrNWisr · Today 12:37

She’s entitled to her feelings. Whether you think she SHOULD feel that way is irrelevant. You sound determined to not accept her point of view in any way, which is fine you are entitled to your feelings too. But your friendship is over.

bignosebignose · Today 12:37

BePearlTiger · Today 12:11

Understandable but she could have told me this when I first came to her to let her know that we’d been talked for a week and are meeting up for coffee. That was her queue to say she’s not comfortable with that. I would have let it go I had not attachment to him but now 4 almost 5 years later it’s an issue ? As if I don’t love him now and have an attachment towards him. He’s not anyone’s property.

Think about it positively - she did you a favour four years ago by not being honest with you as you’ve now twice said that you might not have gone on the first date if she’d objected at the time - so you’d have missed out on your husband-to-be. She either deals with it now or she doesn’t, don’t fret too much.

Vespanest · Today 12:37

Why are you bothered when it clear you don't particularly like her or even willing to understand why she feels this way. Let the friendship go

BePearlTiger · Today 12:37

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · Today 12:31

If you make a post and tell us how irrational and upsetting she’s been without actually telling us the irrational and upsetting things she’s said until later in the thread, I’m not sure what sort of response you’re expecting?

Why is it such a bother ? I didn’t realise that was part of the rules of posting on here. I don’t believe I’ve broken any rules nor do I believe there has to be every detail when you post something. Sometimes people post to rant.

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BePearlTiger · Today 12:37

Vespanest · Today 12:37

Why are you bothered when it clear you don't particularly like her or even willing to understand why she feels this way. Let the friendship go

I do like her but alright.

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Random321 · Today 12:39

It is even really about you or him.

I think it's more about happier times in her life. Her first big love and that usualy crazy, stupid, head over heels, carefree feelings of pure bliss.

It's only as big a deal as you make it. She'll give her head a wobble shortly and realise this isn'teven about him. It's about padt happy memories. Thst is all.

She was silly to tell you but it isn't that big a deal.
You'll get married. She'll get used to it and realise her feelings aren't even about him but just abput happier times.

Unless she's really unhinged, and she doesn't move on.

It's not sbout you. It's not about him. Don't mention it again. She'll be embarrassed she even mentions it once she unravelles her feelings.

BePearlTiger · Today 12:40

OldrNWisr · Today 12:37

She’s entitled to her feelings. Whether you think she SHOULD feel that way is irrelevant. You sound determined to not accept her point of view in any way, which is fine you are entitled to your feelings too. But your friendship is over.

I agree she is allowed to have her own feelings. I haven’t said that she isn’t. I do think it’s odd to be a 36 year old woman, have married and have had children with someone else and to say you miss someone who last time you saw them they were 20 years old. Only saying this once we’ve built a relationship together when she could have told me this years ago if that’s truly how she felt. Or telling someone that you’d hoped that their relationship wouldn’t last ? It’s a little odd.

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RowsOfFlowers · Today 12:40

I think it’s quite odd, and I’d never date a friend’s ex no matter how long ago they were together or what the history was. It doesn’t sound like you’ve really gone about it the right way, but that’s my opinion. I think she has a right to how she feels. Maybe you can explore her feelings and reassure her.

GoldenSandy · Today 12:40

Lugol · Today 12:36

Similarly OP doesn't get to demand she feels one way when she doesn't.

She can feel however she feels.

Absolutely but she shouldn't say weird things like "so you're marrying my ex".
Keep in mind this friend married someone else in between!!

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · Today 12:41

BePearlTiger · Today 12:37

Why is it such a bother ? I didn’t realise that was part of the rules of posting on here. I don’t believe I’ve broken any rules nor do I believe there has to be every detail when you post something. Sometimes people post to rant.

Nobody is bothered (except perhaps you). I’m just responding to the things you say.

GoldenSandy · Today 12:41

RowsOfFlowers · Today 12:40

I think it’s quite odd, and I’d never date a friend’s ex no matter how long ago they were together or what the history was. It doesn’t sound like you’ve really gone about it the right way, but that’s my opinion. I think she has a right to how she feels. Maybe you can explore her feelings and reassure her.

She asked the friend 4-5 years ago if she was ok with it. How is that not the right way about it??