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AIBU to think my friend should just accept I am marrying her ex?

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BePearlTiger · Today 10:45

I’m 35 and have been with my partner for 4 years. We actually met again completely by chance after many years of not seeing each other, hit it off, were messaging for a week or so and decided to go on a date and he asked to meet up for a coffee and a walk. Before we had even been on our first date, I told my friend that we had hit it off messaging and we’re going for coffee because I wanted to be upfront with her.

He had been her boyfriend at university when they were around 18–20. They were together for about 2 years. They broke up nearly 20 years ago and obviously people change enormously between 18 and 36.

When I told her, after a couple time of meeting him that we are officially seeing each other I specifically asked if she had a problem with it. She said no, so I took that at face value. I wasn’t sneaking around or getting into a relationship with her ex behind her back. I actually even told her before we’d been on the first date.

We’ve now been together for 4 years. We moved in together & he proposed earlier this year and I said yes. We’re very happy, are buying a house together and would like to have children. We have a wedding date set for next June, invitations have gone out and our university friends have been absolutely lovely about it , RSVPs, messages, people booking hotels etc. They’re genuinely excited for us.

When I told this particular friend about the engagement, she said, “Oh, are you going to marry my ex?” I reminded her that we’d been together for 4 years and that I had told her about us from the very beginning. She then said that she’d only said she had no problem with it because she didn’t think we would last.
That has really thrown me.

I completely understand that she might have complicated feelings about it. I’m not trying to tell her how she should feel. But at some point, surely you have to accept that this was a relationship from university when you were 18 years old?

It’s not as though they were together for 15 years, were engaged, had children or had some huge life together. They were university sweethearts for a couple of years, nearly 20 years ago. She has since married, had children and divorced. He and I have now built an actual adult life together over the last four years.

And honestly, I find it particularly difficult because I had exactly the reverse situation myself. One of my friends married someone I had dated at university. I was 18. They got together years later and eventually married and have children. I genuinely didn't have an issue with it. I thought, “We were teenagers at university, life moved on,” and I was happy for them.

So I’m struggling with why I’m apparently supposed to feel guilty now.

I also wonder whether this friendship may simply be worth losing if this is something she can’t move past. Obviously I’d rather not lose a friend, but I don’t think I can spend the rest of my life feeling that I’ve done something wrong by marrying my partner.

All our other university friends seem completely happy for us and are looking forward to the wedding. Nobody else seems to see this as some enormous betrayal.

AIBU to think she needs to let this go? I can understand her feeling upset, but I don’t think she gets a veto over a relationship that started nearly 20 years after theirs ended.

Or am I being completely insensitive about the fact that, regardless of how long ago it was, he will always be “her ex” to her?

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DrivingMissDozy · Today 12:14

@BePearlTiger You’re not explaining the veto bit? How has she tried to veto this? Is seems ridiculous that she would try to veto anything but I can sort of understand why she is a bit funny about it. Surely you just carry on, being sensitive to the situation, and if she can’t get past it then she should distance herself.

Fiftyandme · Today 12:14

Your friend sounds slightly unhinged

Aluna · Today 12:16

BePearlTiger · Today 12:11

Understandable but she could have told me this when I first came to her to let her know that we’d been talked for a week and are meeting up for coffee. That was her queue to say she’s not comfortable with that. I would have let it go I had not attachment to him but now 4 almost 5 years later it’s an issue ? As if I don’t love him now and have an attachment towards him. He’s not anyone’s property.

Cue not queue.

You can’t really demand that people say and do things to a timeframe to suit you.

In the early days it may have seemed to her too much to essentially ask you not to date him - it’s not as if they’ve only recently split whatever her residual feelings. And it may not have worked out anyway. If she had said it then you would have thought she was BU then too for different reasons. I don’t think there is a right time to say it.

hds873banana · Today 12:16

It’s irrelevant whether it was years ago or short lived. Some relationships have a much bigger impact than others and it’s not always because they were longer ones.

MyNeedyLilacBird · Today 12:16

How close is this friend? I'd have thought she'd have met up with you and your now fiancé in the 4 years you've been together!

It almost sounds like he broke up with her and she was really upset and hasn't got over him. Maybe she was hoping you 2 would break up eventually and they'd find their way back to each other like some fairytale romance.

I'd possibly consider backing away from the friendship if it's not that close now anyway especially if she's having wild ideas about them getting together (not saying she is just a possibly if there are unresolved feelings on her part)

Hellodarknessmyoldpal · Today 12:18

She had the chance to tell you her true feelings before you went out with him. You were honest and upfront about the situation and imo handled it respectfully. If she’s not a close friend then carry on and let it run its course. She may just be feeling vulnerable having gone through a divorce and will come round or the friendship will fizzle out.

MinesabigGandT · Today 12:19

@BePearlTiger "I don’t think those are real emotions."

That's not for you to say. Obviously they are real to her.
It seems (to me) she was very badly hurt when it ended and hasn't processed that. That's not your fault, nor is it hers

zebrastripesarefun · Today 12:20

I could never date a friends ex. I hope they wouldn’t date my ex either. No matter how long ago I imagine it would still hurt.

MinesabigGandT · Today 12:20

Fiftyandme · Today 12:14

Your friend sounds slightly unhinged

That's rather unkind.

bakingdisasterqueen · Today 12:22

Missey85 · Today 11:02

Are you serious WTH I'd be pissed too ☹️ I certainly wouldn't be ok with it what did you think would happen if you got with your friends ex? Your no friend to anybody I'd cut contact with you

DRAMA DRAMA... It's not all about you. Get over yourself.

Lovesacake · Today 12:22

You’re being quite harsh on your friend, if someone lets you know they are going for a first date with your ex I think it’s quite normal to shrug it off and think oh well nothing will come of that. Most first days don’t amount to anything.
your making it sound like she had voodoo dolls of you and was actively trying to harm your relationship - she hasn’t, she just said she didn’t think it would last!

Vespanest · Today 12:24

I'd probably say I wouldn't mind but in all honesty there is no ex of mine I'd want back in my life even for a day. Probably why I've always dated people outside of friendships group. No amount of maturity conversation will take away the icky feeling. I'm a dead to me kind of person.

AtIusvue · Today 12:24

Yes. YABU

You are marrying her ex. What did you think the reaction would be?

As if she was going to blurt out all her feelings when you first started dating him….thats ridiculous.

If she doesn’t like the thought of you both marrying, that’s her problem. If you don’t like that she had a committed relationship with him previously and before you, then that’s your problem.

There’s a reason why people don’t date their friends exes!

OneCoralGoose · Today 12:24

Lovesacake · Today 12:22

You’re being quite harsh on your friend, if someone lets you know they are going for a first date with your ex I think it’s quite normal to shrug it off and think oh well nothing will come of that. Most first days don’t amount to anything.
your making it sound like she had voodoo dolls of you and was actively trying to harm your relationship - she hasn’t, she just said she didn’t think it would last!

She told her she thought they would get back together. She still wants to be with him. Thats wrong after 4 years and they live together.

Duckiewasthefirstniceguy · Today 12:24

BePearlTiger · Today 11:54

She asked me why I’m marrying him and told me how she didn’t think the relationship would last, saying she misses him, she has not seen him in over 15 years. That is irrational. In those 15 years, she has married, had children, and now divorced. I don’t think those are real emotions. I told her before we’d even met up, she has had 4 years to be honest with me but chose to hope that the relationship would fail … who does that! Those were her words she didn’t say anything because she thought we wouldn’t last. Now when he’s proposed is when she has an issue. If she’d have been honest at the staff I might have not dated him, I barely knew him, there wasn’t any attachment but I think after 4 almost 5 years there’s attachment there.

Edited

She asked me why I’m marrying him…saying she misses him

If you’d put that in the OP, you’d be getting very different responses. Those are incredibly inappropriate things to say to someone about their partner. As that’s what he is now. More than ‘her teenage ex’, he’s your current adult partner and the things she’s saying are unacceptable.

In my opinion, you are focusing on the wrong thing re ‘attachments’ and ‘she didn’t think it would last’ four years ago.

Also, you’ve been together four years and she hasn’t spoken to him in that time? How often do you even see this friend?

WhyDoPeople · Today 12:24

Of course she doesn't want you to marry her ex! Would you want a friend marrying your ex? You have to accept that it's a weird situation and have a bit more empathy for her.

TheTikiTurnip · Today 12:25

I wouldn't be going anywhere near a friends ex, no matter how long ago they broke up.

I thought everyone knew that is an unwritten rule between female friends? Basic respect, really.

Too late now, but surely theres plenty of other blokes in the world you could have dated?

Francine84 · Today 12:25

Personally I feel like a friend’s ex is off limits regardless of how long it’s been since they broke up. There are a lot of people in the world so it’s quite easy to not go out someone that a loved one used to date.

But you’re 4 years in now and you’re going to do what you want anyway. But don’t be surprised if you lose your friendship over this. Because you crossed that line and knew exactly what you were doing when you started dating him.

Lovesacake · Today 12:26

OneCoralGoose · Today 12:24

She told her she thought they would get back together. She still wants to be with him. Thats wrong after 4 years and they live together.

Yes that little drip feed didn’t appear in the op, it was almost as though it was an embellishment to bolster her argument

canklesmctacotits · Today 12:27

If she were happy in her romantic relationship, she wouldn’t be saying this. This is a reflection of where she’s at in her life. I’d be understanding if the awkwardness for her and leave her to it.

BePearlTiger · Today 12:27

Aluna · Today 12:16

Cue not queue.

You can’t really demand that people say and do things to a timeframe to suit you.

In the early days it may have seemed to her too much to essentially ask you not to date him - it’s not as if they’ve only recently split whatever her residual feelings. And it may not have worked out anyway. If she had said it then you would have thought she was BU then too for different reasons. I don’t think there is a right time to say it.

Sorry for my grammar I am dyslexic

You are right but also I think the timing isn’t great. I don’t demand anything but I do think that someone I consider a friend should be able to speak to me if something bothers them. I don’t think telling me that you miss a man who don’t know anymore once we are engaged is rational. Especially when you’ve been married and have children.

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2026letsgo · Today 12:28

AlwaysAFaithful · Today 11:11

This is mad. People have all sorts of relationship histories and inevitably there can be some overlap

It’s not like the OP has had an affair with this person. She has behaved respectfully.

I think a lot of people these days just go around expecting to feel outraged and offended. She is entitled to feel her feelings. You are entitled to a happy relationship.

Edited

You make it sound like she is choosing to feel like this?
I bet she’d much prefer for it not to bother her actually.

BePearlTiger · Today 12:28

Lovesacake · Today 12:26

Yes that little drip feed didn’t appear in the op, it was almost as though it was an embellishment to bolster her argument

Fair enough I think I can make a post to rant about something without needed to apply every little detail verbatim

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OldrNWisr · Today 12:28

It sounds like he broke her heart and that’s a big deal when you’re young. Maybe she should’ve been honest at the start, but she probably recognised that her feelings were not entirely fair or rational at the time and didn’t want to be that person. It’s obviously too late now though, so your friendship is probably over. You could have a bit more empathy for her though, so maybe it’s for the best.

Lugol · Today 12:30

Everyone on this thread saying you haven't done anything wrong and I suppose technically you haven't.

But I would not expect any friend of mine to start banging my ex no matter how long ago it was and I would not want to shag someone who has slept with my friend. Isn't there a 'girl code' about this?

I think if you were actually close friends you wouldn't have gone anywhere near your friends ex, or would you?
You don't seem to care too much what she thinks, it sounds like you just want her to say she's cool with it but she isn't.

Anyway the friendship is over obviously so you do you.

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